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Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by Ididntdothis on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:10AM (#22748613)
I definitely feel the US is constantly behind the curve in this. After trying to downplay it for a while the administration had to accept reality but instead of taking strong measures they still do things only very reluctantly. Then on the other hand they close parks while at the same people are crowding in stores without masks or gloves.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jerf on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:21AM (#22748751)
One of the characteristics of an exponential spread is that you will be either behind or ahead. If it seems like nobody is at "just right", it's because "just right" is an exponentially small target.

I would suggest cutting people some slack in both directions.

(It wasn't that long ago when our government was being criticized as moving too fast and xenophobically shutting the borders before it was justified. Moving back and forth between "too far ahead" and "too far behind" is also a thing that will continue to happen.)

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by Klinky on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:34AM (#22748970)
The xenophobia remarks were probably more in relation to classifying it as a "Chinese problem" and the targeting of specific nationalities, instead of fully closing the borders, as if this was going keep us in our bubble of protection, when the spread had probably already occurred, and was by then coming in through all ports of entry, not just Chinese people from China.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jerf on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:40AM (#22749042)
'The xenophobia remarks were probably more in relation to classifying it as a "Chinese problem"'

At the time, it was a "Chinese problem". It's hard to "close your borders to China" without being accused of "xenophobia" in the modern era. What's your/their concrete counterproposal for the time? Leave them open? That certainly appears to have been the implicit counterproposal being made by the accusers; what else could they possibly mean? In hindsight, how has that fared?

Or perhaps close the borders with Brazil and other countries, just to avoid singling out China, even though at the time, the disease was only in China?

The accusation of xenophobia can only float in an environment where the accusers aren't actually responsible for making concrete policy proposals. Once you have to manifest the accusation in concrete proposals, then you're playing the "are you going to be ahead or behind?" game just like everybody else, and will lose in one direction or the other, just like everybody else.

(One of the privileges of being the minority party is the ability to take shots at the majority party without having to actually propose anything concrete that would allow counteranalysis. This seems to be a non-trivial component of how the parties tend to oscillate back & forth. I phrase it as the "minority party" precisely because it isn't an accusation I'm slinging at a specific party. I've seen the cycle several times now on both sides.)

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:52AM (#22749201)
> At the time, it was a "Chinese problem". It's hard to "close your borders to China" without being accused of "xenophobia" in the modern era. What's your/their concrete counterproposal for the time? Leave them open? That certainly appears to have been the implicit counterproposal being made by the accusers; what else could they possibly mean? In hindsight, how has that fared?

Most of the criticism I've seen covers two factors:

1. It only made perhaps a little dent, as it'd spread far past China already. Trump is dramatically exaggerating its effectiveness in an attempt to distract from how feckless the overall response was.

2. It was implemented in a rather silly fashion. Instead of actually banning travel from China, we permitted US citizens to come back with minimal screening to spread it here.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel...

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by smaryjerry on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:35AM (#22749744)
The US did actually slow the spread significantly. Look at when the first case appeared in each country. The time until the virus started spreading in US was weeks after other countries first cases.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:37AM (#22749761)
South Korea and the US had their first case on the same day.

Compare their numbers now.

The US is actually one of the least flattened curves. Orange line: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Epidemic...

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by berryjerry on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:06PM (#22751738)
Look at the inflection point, South Korea's inflection was much sooner. Obviously population differences exist as well.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by mnm1 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:20PM (#22751164)
Our first case was in January. The US acted too slowly and worse, they acted incompetently. The borders were not actually closed so we knowingly brought back infected people without testing and without quarantining them. That's not closing the borders, that's just incredibly negligent. Criminally negligent. You'd think the government would at least have some common sense and test/quarantine/track people coming back from China. Nope. And as of two to three weeks ago, it's still doing no checks of people returning here from Europe.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by Klinky on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:17PM (#22751110)
How can you make that statement given the piss poor testing going on? The numbers are not trustworthy.

Where are the drivethru testing centers, where anyone who wants a test can get one? Those were promised weeks ago.

Tests are still being heavily rationed.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by Klinky on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:46PM (#22753320)
A lot of the inaction was actually on behalf of the markets. Fear of upsetting Wall Street played a bigger part in not closing off access to China than meanies complaining about xenophobia. Also probably presidential denial of it being an actual issue.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by shock-value on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:29AM (#22748881)
In this situation most would agree it's better to be ahead; the criticism is justified.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jerf on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:36AM (#22748984)
Would they? First of all, the criticism I mentioned was when the governent was "ahead"; experience indicates people were not "agreeing it was good to be ahead". "Ahead" in this case may be shutting down the economy far more than is justified. While it may be fun to talk about "the rich" and stuff, remember that "the economy" is what feeds all of us, clothes us, houses us, and keeps us in electricity and clean water. It is even now not necessarily clear that we aren't "ahead", once you put aside the partisan political sniping, and doing ourselves much greater damage than is actually justified. Thousands of deaths are bad, but a 30% employment rate (and presumably growing) is going to be bad too. I am not implicitly claiming one is worse than the other... I'm saying right here, right now, we don't actually know.

The "correct" response is an exponentially small target. Right now in the fog of war we don't even know what it would be. It would fit the evidence that the coronavirus fatality rate really is sub-.5%, if you count all the asymptomatic cases that may exist, and that we're badly overreacting. It would fit the evidence that coronavirus is still, if anything, downplayed, that there is no reserve of asymptomatic cases, and that even if it doesn't kill you there will be a generation of people crippled by it just like there was by polio. The nastier end of the rumors I'm hearing are really nasty [1]. It will only be visible in hindsight.

[1]: Can the virus kill the part of the brain responsible for determining whether or not you have enough oxygen in your blood, and then also kill your lungs, so that you think you're recovered and doing well and everything's fine even as your blood oxygen level sinks until you just keel over dead? Is that what the videos of people literally keeling over dead in the streets of China were? Dunno. Won't know for a while yet. But if it can do stuff like that, it could be a scar on us for the rest of our lives. Or that could be something else entirely, up to and including some intelligence agency's way of fearmongering. Heck if I know. Maybe it is ultimately just a bad cold that tends to cause pneumonia and everything else is just the Internet doing its echo-y thing. Zoonoses (diseases that jump the species barrier) have a history of that sort of thing.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by mindslight on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:00AM (#22749315)
> It is even now not necessarily clear that we aren't "ahead", once you put aside the partisan political sniping, and doing ourselves much greater damage than is actually justified

I haven't been out in over a week, but have we actually gotten to the point where everybody now wears a mask in public?

The shutdowns were partly necessitated by an utter failure to produce and distribute PPE (whether by market or by fiat), which made it impossible for most people to just take reasonable precautions and then continue about (most of) their daily lives. Until the supply catches up until everybody who wants a mask has one, and front line grocery store workers have them provided by their employers, I would say we're most definitely still "behind".

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by 0xffff2 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:54AM (#22750011)
>I haven't been out in over a week, but have we actually gotten to the point where everybody now wears a mask in public?

Certainly not in the bay area. I just got back from shopping (first time I've been out in about a week and a half). I couldn't find a mask in stock online, so I cut up and old shirt and some coffee filters and sewed my own. No one looked at me funny, but I was a bit surprised to find that maybe 1/3 of the people in the store had any kind of mask on. Most people seemed to be making very little effort to keep their distance either. Lots of good the little markers for the checkout lines are going to do when people are still walking past each other barely a foot apart in the aisles.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by iso1631 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:40AM (#22749033)
1 week early and you end up with 1% of deaths as other countries and complaints that "too much was done", then when people rebel against the lockdown after a few weeks, deaths shoot up again.

1 week late and you end up with 100 times the deaths as other countries

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by atomi on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:29PM (#22750502)
At the same time, it's my understanding that New York is having such a large problem because many Italians flew in from Italy to that region. But I don't recall anyone calling that out at the time.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by webninja on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:35AM (#22756242)
I heard New York is having such a large problem is because they waited and shut down their state two weeks after New York and California shut down their states. If you remember correctly, Seattle started with the largest number of cases, but since they did a great job at containing it, the COVID-19 case growth has been linear but not exponential allowing many other big cities to surpass it.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by ModernMech on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:43AM (#22749075)
I dunno, California and Washington seem to be doing a better job than most, and they were the first hit in the US. First community transmission case was in CA, first death was in WA. And yet, it's places like NY, NJ, LA, and MI on the other side of the country who are having an issue with hospitals being overrun. The Bay Area took the lead on shelter in place orders and they don't have the situation NYC has. What if they took it as seriously as CA and WA?. US and South Korea reported their first cases on the same day with very different outcomes. What if the US responded like South Korea instead of the way it did?
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jerf on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:44AM (#22749085)
"Some people are ahead and some people are behind" doesn't exactly contradict what I said.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by ModernMech on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:48AM (#22749141)
You seem to be suggesting that the right response is unknowable ahead of time. But the people who listened to epidemiologists early had better outcomes, so it seems like we did know what to do -- we just didn't want to or were in denial. I just don't see how given that any slack is warranted in the aftermath of this.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jerf on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:53AM (#22749210)
There's a wide range of measures that lead to effectively no infection. You have no way of knowing that the "correct" measures were taken, only that measures at least as expensive as necessary were taken. They could well be far more expensive than necessary.

That's the future-history perspective, too, where we assume that we can already count them as having successfully contained the disease; in the here-and-now perspective, there's plenty of time for it to develop that they in fact didn't do enough either and will explode in disease in the next two weeks or something. Or months. Or, in the worst scenario, years. (See Spanish Flu history, as you've probably seen cited; what we know of as the "Spanish Flu" was not the original outbreak, but a later one.)

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by kkylin on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:24AM (#22748812)
Quite agree, and your comment reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang%E2%80%93bang_control
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jhpriestley on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:56AM (#22749250)
source on the government being criticized as xenophobic for moving too fast? I follow politics pretty closely and did not see any such criticism. Was it from a major figure or publication?
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by jhpriestley on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:40AM (#22749809)
I checked into it myself - perhaps OP was referring to this Trump claim, which is supported only by a single tweet? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statesman.com/news/20200330...
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by qqqwerty on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:54AM (#22749229)
Fact check: Almost all health experts and political leaders agreed with (or did not publicly oppose) implementing travel restrictions[1], and the xenophobic remarks were being taken out of context, and are likely aimed at Trump's attempt to re-name COVID-19 as the "China Virus"[2]

[1]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel... [2]https://www.statesman.com/news/20200330/fact-check-did-biden...

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by op03 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:25AM (#22748823)
Well given the polarized climate/full of mistrust, top down "strong measures" will run into all kinds of issues.

Local leadership, preparation, measurement and imagination at the state and county level is what is going to decide how things play out.

National leadership in all countries has been a gigantic kabuki performance for the media and political fan clubs.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by bamboozled on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:20AM (#22748739)
The leader of the free world is still coming to terms with the economic damage on the horizon, not to mention there will be nothing left of his personal brand once / if he does the right thing.

As with climate change, the solution has been broadsided by petty politics.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by kick on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:25AM (#22748821)
"The Leader of the Free World" is such an unnecessary term. It started out as propaganda and hasn't gotten more true since about any POTUS.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by johannes1234321 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:37AM (#22749000)
I would interpret the GP as I treat any reference of such a title and Trump: As satiric. Some predecessors might have tried to fill such a title and living up to it. For Trump it is a non-goal.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by kick on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:57AM (#22749271)
It's not just Trump. If you're interpreting their comment as satirical solely because of the reference to Trump, you're missing the point of my own. No one in charge of the United States has ever deserved that title, nor tried to live up to it. It was never anything but well-aimed propaganda. That it's lived past the Cold War (and, do note, was coined in reference to someone far more damaging to freedom than Trump) is ridiculous.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by makomk on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:16AM (#22748675)
This seems to be a global feeling. People in most countries seem to think that theirs is constantly behind the curve, that they aren't locking down fast enough and their testing is so grossly inadequate compared to the rest of the world that their government is practically trying to kill them.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by mikepurvis on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:23AM (#22748789)
I'm in Canada. We were a bit late to the punch, but I think by and large my government layers (municipal, regional, provincial, and federal) have taken the right actions at the right times given the information available. And they're clearly working in conjunction with experts, so there's that.

I definitely have policy beefs with both my premier and PM. I didn't vote for either of them and probably won't the next time either, but I can still be pleased at the degree to which they've stepped up. The contrast with US federal government is especially stark.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by slantyyz on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:42AM (#22749063)
I'm in pretty much exactly the same boat as you. Not a fan of the PM or Premier of my province, but am not unhappy with how things are being handled.

While I have a lot of issues with the messaging (in that it could be blunter and clearer [1]), it appears to be an issue in all Western countries, so I guess I give them a pass for that.

I also have some issues with the CERB (I would have personally preferred a simple universal benefit over something you need explainers for [2][3])

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/fmlg1y/communic...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/fpz6g6/update_2_ce...

[3] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lOJn7XS6ETIkbLRodYk681M_2dx...

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by wolco on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:39AM (#22749026)
Canada missed the boat by not being serious about checking travellers returning to Canada. If the fake followup questionaire that was routinely not asked was asked and had detailed questions, if an assessment of people returning was done, if airports were shutdown earlier, if returning people didn't have to wait for hours in line in close contact with thousands of others returning.. The airports are the weak links.

Now they go on tv and yell at people for not doing enough. When two weeks before they downplayed, mocked those who would dare wear masks. The majority of the initial outbreak was spent telling people they were racist for not shopping in Chinatown.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by loopz on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:22AM (#22748770)
This is just not true. Norway quaranteed people coming from infected areas, and brought up understandable restrictions by a unified front across ministries, sparrowheaded by the Prime Minister. Curve of infected and deaths seem almost linear, and the Gov is considering opening up low-hanging restrictions after Easter.

The clue was right responses at right time, correct nation-wide communication, coordination and leadership. With earlier response, maybe this could've been stopped at borders. But effectiveness is doubtful, since most countries have dismantled pandemic and crisis capabilities.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by 3JPLW on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:28AM (#22748856)
The contrast between Norway and Sweden is particularly stark.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by input_sh on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:38AM (#22749018)
No. Where I'm from, only specific kinds of stores (groceries, pharmacies, gas stations and similar) remain open, there's a police curfew from 8pm to 5am (with ~250 euro fine), bars, cafes, hairdressers etc are completely shut down, restaurants can only do delivery, covering your face is obligatory when in public, public transport is completely shut down.

Admittedly, it is a small country (~4 million people) but we've been doing this since we had ~50 cases. If anything, people were arguing that we took drastic measures a bit too soon, but we're able to pin point individual clusters thanks to a quick response.

On a side note, one company anniversary party is responsible for about 17.5% of confirmed cases so far, so please stay the fuck home.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by celticninja on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:14AM (#22748649)
stores in the UK are limiting the number of people allowed in at any one time, and people queuing outside have the sense to to leave gaps to allow for some social distancing in the queue
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by slimginz on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:23AM (#22748796)
Micro Center here in the states has you give them your phone number and they text you when you can come in. The one by me doesn’t even let people queue up and wait there - you have to go somewhere else while waiting.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by celticninja on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:25AM (#22748816)
that's a great idea even if it just means people can sit in their vehicles outside the store.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by johannes1234321 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:40AM (#22749040)
And the store owner gets the phone numbers of their customers and ca at least roughly map it to a set of sales from that time frame. If they survive this allows nice marketing in future.

But yeah, pragmatic solution.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by djsumdog on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:13PM (#22750276)
Microcenter is already terrible about sucking up all consumer information they can. When I check out with a credit card it shows an address from three apartments before in another state .. not updating it.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by thsowers on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:18AM (#22748697)
It is the same here in many states, though I don't think a occupation limit has been imposed federally
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by microcolonel on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:21AM (#22748753)
I think many people will misunderstand the U.S. effort, since it's something like looking at the whole EU (but with less population density).

They look at the central government and they're like "this is not enough!", when often the things they're asking for are deployed to some reasonable degree in every state.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by celticninja on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:29AM (#22748885)
neither has one been imposed in the UK, it's just using common sense and also protecting their staff
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by adventured on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:22AM (#22748761)
And yet the UK is testing at a rate 1/2 that of the US per capita (with a max capacity of only 12,750 per day) [1]. Two weeks ago they were barely testing at all.

This is in fact going on across all of Europe, very few nations are doing anything right including on the testing front. That includes supposedly good outcome nations such as Sweden, which has made a terrible mistake of not properly quarantining, and even bragging about this fact [2]; meanwhile their case numbers are surging by the day, tripling in roughly 10-12 days.

It's just that people ignorantly like to target the US with abuse because it feels good, while pretending everything is going swimmingly elsewhere (it's not). They count on Americans not following the news of the disaster that's still unfolding across Europe.

There are a handful of nations doing kinda-sorta well in Europe and that's it.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britai...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-27/corona...

> “I’m deeply concerned,” virology professor Fredrik Elgh told state broadcaster SVT. Epidemiologist Joacim Rocklov told the FT it was “a huge experiment” that could go “crazily” wrong. Mathematician Marcus Carlsson, less politely, said it amounted to “Russian roulette.”

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by nfellaby on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:38AM (#22749009)
Regarding the rate of testing, since the whole country is in lock down the rate of testing isn't actually that helpful. It's more about damage limitation. The UK, and most countries, are no longer in a containment phase that ship has sailed. Now it's more a case of reducing burden on the NHS. So the rate of testing only has a limited use at this point. I gives a guestimate about the total infection rate, and it is probably essential for hospitals to ensure containment of patients, but in terms of testing the general public, not that helpful.

The US might get more use out of it at the moment in the remotely located populations such as towns that currently have limited infection rates Then testing is extremely helpful postponing infection. By doing so, it bides time for stock of medical supplies to increase after the significant burden that infected cities will have in the coming months.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by tim333 on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:52AM (#22756304)
A Paul Graham tweet on the reason for that https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1244995102818304000
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by vsareto on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:33AM (#22748947)
They are and the only saving grace I can think of is that they just didn't want to shut down the entire economy based on China's/WHO's data alone. Our economy is a tad more important than many other countries and unfortunately that has to mean we're among the last to turn the lights off.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by Ididntdothis on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @11:18AM (#22749544)
At least Trump and Kudlow shouldn’t have said that this is well contained and no problem. That was based on zero facts and just made up. I don’t envy political leaders in this situation having to choose between very bad options but at least don’t make stuff up. It’s ok to say that you don’t know. They also seem to be more concerned about blaming others instead of taking charge.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by news_hacker on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:26AM (#22748831)
It's common in times of crisis to dwell on "what could we have done to prevent this?" or "what could we do better"?

There are many positive actions also taking place. Not to mention brave front-liners who are helping managing this to the best of their abilities.

No one could have predicted the magnitude of this.

The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago. The next best time is now.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:29AM (#22748877)
> No one could have predicted the magnitude of this.

Public health experts all over the world have predicted the magnitude of this sort of thing for decades, and this particular virus for months.

We have plenty of historical examples of pandemics to reference.

Hell, Bill Gates himself gave a TED talk in 2015 about exactly this: https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-warned-us-covid-19-...

> “If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it’s likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war,” Gates said during the Ted Talk. “Not missiles, but microbes.”

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by TearsInTheRain on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @08:53PM (#22755188)
> Public health experts all over the world have predicted the magnitude of this sort of thing for decades

That reminds me of all of the finance experts that have been predicting a major asset bubble pop for the last 7 years.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by shock-value on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:33AM (#22748948)
> No one could have predicted the magnitude of this.

Anyone who was paying attention to what was going on at ground-level in China in January could see this coming. It's the lack of testing at that time up through February that caused us (speaking as someone from the U.S.) to follow Italy's trajectory (or worse) rather than South Korea's.

And no one is disparaging those at the front lines who are doing their best to mitigate this very very bad situation.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by rrss on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:47AM (#22749121)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Contagion

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6824-2019-10-key-fin...

> In the exercise scenario, forcasting gives a 90% change that the pandemic will be of very high severity, with 110 million forecasted illnesses, 7.7 million forecasted hospitalizations, and 586,000 deaths in the U.S. alone.

> During the exercise, a significant topic of concern centered around the inadequaces of existing executive branch and statutory authorities to provide HHS with the requisite mechanisms to serve successfully as the lead federal agency in response to an influenza pandemic.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by LargeWu on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:31AM (#22748924)
> No one could have predicted the magnitude of this.

People did predict the magnitude of this, and it was ignored, repeatedly, which is why it got out of control in the first place.

Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by Invictus0 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:30AM (#22748902)
Lots of people predicted this and the tools we needed to prevent it were in place just a few years ago: not to mention we had over a month of warning by just observing the situation in China. We should definitely dwell on why we were so unprepared for this.
Re:Bill Gates calls for nationwide shutdown by beamatronic on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:29AM (#22748880)
It is not true that “no one could have predicted this” since myself and other have been discussing exactly this since mid January.