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Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by tw04 on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @04:21PM (#22742088)
>Yes but that's inline with what you'd expect Apple to do though.

I'd argue the exact opposite. They keep pronouncing they're now a services company. If that's TRULY their go-forward model, they should be selling services to the broadest possible audience. Shutting it down to other audiences tells me they're still a hardware company that can't see past their walled garden.

If anyone at Apple is listening, I'll say it for the thousandth time: Support Messages on Android and Windows and you will own the messaging market. If you keep kicking the can, someone will eventually take it from you. Just look at Blackberry and what you did to them... it can and will happen to you as well. BES was thought to be an impenetrable wall. Narrator: It wasn't.

This coming from someone who switched back to iPhone after the last round of goog privacy snafu's.

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by enos_feedler on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @05:52PM (#22743063)
Apple has shown they are not afraid to build products that are 100% services (TV+, Music, etc). Just because a product is delivered as a service doesn't mean the correct strategy is to spray it everywhere.

It's not a matter of seeing past the walled garden. So long as there is a roadmap for deep platform integrations (identity, payments, AR, GPU, etc) and the desire for those integrations to be 100% available to _anyone_ with a blue bubble, the service will not leave Apple. IMO, it's about protecting the path of innovation while keeping a key feature (compatibility across all users) in play. Available is key because feature adoption spreads virally. Nobody wants to see someone do something in iMessage and then learn they can't do it.

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by tw04 on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:13PM (#22743281)
You sound like you're reading from the RIM playbook circa 2004. It's not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN the product that kills them shows up. The only reason that Facebook hasn't already supplanted them is their horrendous record on security - eventually a player without that track record will come along and eat their lunch. Facebook messenger became "good enough" just about at the exact time the Cambridge Analytica scandal happened - at which point even the non-nerds started deleting their accounts and abandoning their messaging platform.
Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by simonh on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:27PM (#22743412)
I think the mistake you’re making is thinking Apple cares about messaging. They don’t. They care about the iOS platform. Messages gives them a competitive advantage in that sector. Yes a competing messaging service might surpass it, in fact this has already happened in China with WeChat. This goes some way to level of the playing field with Android over there.

But putting Messages on Android would level the playing field as well. It might give them the dominant messaging platform, at least outside a China, but so what? There’s no reason for them to care about that. They’re not Facebook.

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by enos_feedler on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:52PM (#22743640)
I think if Apple didn't care about messaging they would just kill their investment and let SMS and 3P apps do the job. They wouldn't just throw money away to make something they didn't care about.
Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by simonh on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:16AM (#22746728)
Please read my fourth sentence again. Messages cant give them a competitive advantage on their platform if it's on competing platforms.
Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by enos_feedler on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:50PM (#22743616)
No product is going to come around and kill iMessage because it isn't zero sum. iMessage has a guaranteed priority slot in the OS because Apple owns it. As an Apple user, I prefer iMessage over every other messaging platform. It is just more fun and has better expression. Period. It's too bad I can't iMessage everyone, but hey, I can iMessage lots of people. Don't think that will _ever_ go away.
Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by epicide on Thursday April 02, 2020 @10:00AM (#22759000)
> eventually a player without that track record will come along and eat their lunch.

And that player will need to be in the App Store, follow Apple's policies, and give them a cut of any IAPs. Either way, Apple wins.

iMessage just needs to have a better reputation than the built-in messenger for other platforms. It does _not_ need to beat all other messengers.

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by madeofpalk on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @04:41PM (#22742318)
Apple is more in the "selling App Store access" business, not the "weather data" business.
Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by scarface74 on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @07:58PM (#22744176)
What’s the purpose of “owning messaging?” All of the popular messaging companies make money via advertising.

Messaging needs a network effect. The other alternative besides advertising is charging customers. Can you point to one successful platform that has a network effect and charges customers?

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by oarsinsync on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:48AM (#22746080)
Microsoft Windows is a successful platform that has a network effect and charges customers.

Microsoft Office (or maybe just Excel?) may qualify too, if VBScript is sufficient to label it as a platform.

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by scarface74 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:59AM (#22746912)
Microsoft charges OEMs not customers. I doubt many customers paid for Windows.

Also for Office, what free alternatives were there when Office was gaining popularity?

Compare that to now. How did Windows Mobile work compared to Android?

Re:Apple acquires Dark Sky by saagarjha on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:22AM (#22746496)
> Microsoft Windows is a successful platform that has a network effect and charges customers.

This isn’t really true anymore…