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Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by maerF0x0 on Monday March 30, 2020 @11:29AM (#22728766)
In addition, sadly there are nearly 0 shelters for men.

https://nypost.com/2017/10/29/these-shelters-help-male-victi...

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by rodolphoarruda on Monday March 30, 2020 @11:42AM (#22728878)
Good point. It reminds us that it's not only physical violence that counts. Sometimes psychological violence (harassment, blackmailing etc.) is even worse, especially when kids are put in the mix.
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by champagneben on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:15PM (#22731264)
I'm sure physical violence happens against men as well. Many would never retaliate or really physically defend themselves against a woman. And you can be very vulnerable when you sleep or look away.
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by downerending on Monday March 30, 2020 @04:24PM (#22731932)
For better or worse, it's hard to imagine there'd be much demand (even if there's arguably need). I've been in a situation sort of like this, and reaching out to a shelter would have been the last thought on my mind.

Rather, we're pretty much taught and shamed into "sucking it up", both by women and men. That's usually what happens, and those who no longer can generally just end up as statistics.

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by maerF0x0 on Monday March 30, 2020 @06:33PM (#22732887)
While you're correct about the social conditioning, I think it's a ecosystem sort of feedback loop. "Real men dont need shelters" so then we dont make them. So then when men need shelters they think "See? Other men dont need them, I must suck it up and be a realmens"
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by downerending on Monday March 30, 2020 @07:41PM (#22733317)
I do think they should exist (and be publicized).
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by dang on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:17PM (#22731296)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22728665.
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Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by Spivak on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:37PM (#22729494)
It's the same thing every year on International Women's Day but then International Men's Day comes along and it's crickets.

The reason there are women's shelters exit at all is because a passionate group of women stepped up and put in the work to set them up, run the day-to-day operations, get legislation passed for funding and grants, put in the development work to get charitable donations, work with food pantries, clothing donors, grocery stores and a million other things you need to run a nonprofit.

I can only speak to my area, but if you're a man in an abusive relationship and escape and turn up on the door of one of the shelters that on paper only accepts women they're not gonna just kick you out in the cold.

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by oneida on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:26PM (#22729350)
That’s probably because your perception is that it is a derailment.
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by nabnob on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:48PM (#22729632)
It's a derailment because the people bringing this up aren't actually organizing towards helping homeless men. These two issues, women's shelters and men's shelters, aren't actually in contradiction with each other but the commenter I was responding to is treating it that way.

The reason women's shelters exist is because activists in the 60's and 70's decided to build them and gain support, and eventually fought for funding. What is stopping any of you from actually building a movement to help homeless men, instead of complaining about the activists who try to help women in need of housing?

Why complain about the activists who focus on women's shelters because they're not ALSO tackling the issue of men's shelters, when you yourself could prioritize the issue of men's shelters?

Edit: The people who are dedicating their lives to helping homeless men do not see women's shelters as competition, they see women's shelters as valuable resources for knowledge with lots of carryover (such as approaches for addressing mental illness, drug addiction, and poverty). If you yourself have zero interest in putting in real effort towards a solution outside of opportunistic internet comments, why should anyone listen to you?

Take the lead, do some research, and build something.

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by champagneben on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:18PM (#22731303)
> The reason women's shelters exist is because activists in the 60's and 70's decided to build them and gain support, and eventually fought for funding. What is stopping any of you from actually building a movement to help homeless men, instead of complaining about the activists who try to help women in need of housing?

Do you feel this way about institutions built for and by men, that women have demanded (rightfully so) access to, instead of building their own from the ground up?

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by ta1548177231 on Monday March 30, 2020 @06:37PM (#22732919)
> What is stopping any of you from actually building a movement to help homeless men, instead of complaining about the activists who try to help women in need of housing?

Maybe ^^ is afraid of misandry and people like you who get angry/offensive when someone wants to help men as though it's a competition about who has it worse.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by Talanes on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:14PM (#22731253)
This competition angle really only seems to be coming through in your posts. No one in this thread has complained about women's shelters, the commenters who brought them up originally was AGREEING with a comment about the lack of long term women's shelters.
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by mackrevinack on Monday March 30, 2020 @03:39PM (#22731490)
i dont know much about this topic but it doesn't sound as easy as you make it out to be

not that setting up any shelter type would be easy of course but i vaguely remember Erin Pizzey (who set up the first women's shelter in the UK) saying in an interview that she tried at one point to get funding to set up a men's shelter but she couldn't get a single penny.

what she was taking about sounded like it was a long while ago but I seem to remember a guy in canada recently committing suicide because he had tried for years to get funding from the government for his mens shelter but same deal.

whether men have the same trouble setting up shelters in other countries I don't know

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by hither2 on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:22PM (#22729284)
"In addition" This means in addition.

You are arguing in bad faith. You do not even need to argue.

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Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by maerF0x0 on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:46PM (#22730915)
First hit on google:

> More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-...

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by throwaway202003 on Monday March 30, 2020 @02:45PM (#22730904)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Ye...

Much of the "research" around DV is propaganda by ideological advocacy groups. The actual research shows that it's more like 50/50, and about 70% of the time when it's only one partner being abusive, it's the woman.

The most violent relationships are lesbian relationships, followed by heterosexual relationships, followed by gay relationships. Clearly if it were true that "men are the cause of DV because they are protecting their patriarchal power", we would expect the opposite correlation.

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by jschwartzi on Monday March 30, 2020 @11:44AM (#22728899)
If you think that’s important then open one.
Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by retrac on Monday March 30, 2020 @12:14PM (#22729197)
I've spent the last 20 years providing informal supports to street-involved gay and bisexual youth and adults, many of whom are fleeing abuse of some kind.

I was distantly involved in opening one of Toronto's first shelters for abused men and sole fathers with dependents, and it's been difficult to secure public funding comparable to what is given to women's abuse shelters on a per capita basis. The government largely seems to have the attitude that the general men's shelters are adequate, even for non-gender-conforming men and men who are abuse victims, and that children of men who are in shelters should simply be taken into foster care, rather than trying to keep the family together like they try with women's shelters.

I say this with the hope that it doesn't devolve into a flamewar about gender relations and roles, but for whatever reasons, our society seems to be less sympathetic to a man fleeing an abusive partner or violence than it is to a woman in the same circumstance.

Re:For people with an abusive partner, lockdown means captivity by jschwartzi on Friday April 03, 2020 @08:01PM (#22775075)
> our society seems to be less sympathetic to a man fleeing an abusive partner or violence than it is to a woman in the same circumstance.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on that point.