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Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Mountain_Skies on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:44PM (#22669591)
Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by topher200 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:51PM (#22669656)
> Now, a drug called chloroquine — and some people would add to it “hydroxy-.” Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. Now, this is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis. If somebody has pretty serious arthritis, also uses this in a somewhat different form. But it is known as a malaria drug, and it’s been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.

> When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. You have to see and you have to go — long test. But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug — in different forms. And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that’s where the FDA has been so great. They — they’ve gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. And they did it — they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states.

> I spoke with Governor Cuomo about it at great length last night, and he wants to be right on — on the — he wants to be first on line. And so I think that’s a tremendous — there’s tremendous promise, based on the results and other tests. There’s tremendous promise. And normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it’s — it was approved very, very quickly and it’s now approved, by prescription. Individual states will handle it. They can handle it. Doctors will handle it. And I think it’s going to be — I think it’s going to be great.

> Then we’re quickly studying this drug, and while we’re continuing to study it — but the studying is going to be also done in — as it’s given out to large groups of people, perhaps in New York and other places. We’ll study it there.

From his March 19 statement: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres.... In total, he mentioned the drug by name 11 times during that statement (according to Ctrl+f).

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by orblivion on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:59PM (#22669745)
I'm reading "This drug is gonna be great." I'm not reading "take this drug without your doctor's orders".
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by DagAgren on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:11PM (#22669864)
And do you think that is what every other person is reading?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by orblivion on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:14PM (#22669890)
Clearly not, judging by how my votes are doing. But I think their emotions are getting in the way, leading them to see things that aren't there.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by srazzaque on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:35PM (#22670092)
I'm not sure how it is across all of the US, but when I was in NY, I was certainly surprised to see advertisements for prescription drugs on TV. These always embed "ask your doctor about X".

That's just completely unheard of in Australia. You cannot advertise prescription drugs to consumers, period.

Maybe Americans are just more likely to self-diagnose and self-medicate in general? Or visit the doctor with an agenda for a drug, and see the doctor's prescription as mere paperwork?

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by orblivion on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:35PM (#22670087)
Wait, sorry I think I misread you. Do I think every other person is reading that the president is asking people to take things without doctor's orders? Sort of, perhaps I'm being unfair. However, it seems rather directly to be the interpretation of the person who posted it, because they are replying to a request for an example of the president recommending "that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine".
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by cmurf on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:48PM (#22670207)
Do you suppose people who take prescription drugs without a doctor's supervision are letting emotions get in the way, or do you think they're acting rationally? And do you suppose it's possible their emotions are influenced by the glittering generalities they heard, even though your emotions are not so influenced?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by orblivion on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:58PM (#22670274)
Sure, and perhaps there's a reasonable argument to be made there vis a vis the president's comments here (though I still think it's overblown). But from my read, some people are implying* that the president _literally_ recommended that people obtain this thing without a doctor's advice. And that's what I'm replying to. I don't think it's irrelevant, it's rather divorced from reality.

* Or maybe I misunderstood them. I could always be the one reading into things.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by dabeeeenster on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:08PM (#22669829)
Yes but he has to remember people
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by post_below on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:51PM (#22669662)
"We're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They've gone through the approval process - it's been approved."
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:57PM (#22669722)
He said something to the effect of "chloroquine shows promise. The FDA has approved for it to be prescribed." The first statement is debatable (for now), while the second is completely false. (full quote below)

Can we agree that it's not great to be giving out incomplete or incorrect information on such a prominent stage?

"It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results...Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription."

However, the FDA after the briefing issued a statement saying it had not approved the drug for use against Covid-19 and is still studying its effectiveness against the disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nige...

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22669780)
Trump is very bad at communicating. However, as I understood what Trump was trying to say is that the drug has already passed clinical tests by the FDA which shows it is not massively risky to take, for any reason, within proper limits. So it is FDA approved, just not for COVID-19 uses. (That is, without adding "for COVID-19", the statement "The FDA has approved it to be prescribed" is literally true.) He is contrasting this to some other drug that could potentially be used to help COVID-19 patients but has not had the same testing. This is a huge deal, because it allows the FDA to move quicker in evaluating the potential use of the drug in COVID-19 situations.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by wolfi1 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:47PM (#22669608)
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by nostromo on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#22669633)
He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance.

He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks."

http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate

I don't see why every story needs to be about him.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by anigbrowl on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:59PM (#22669742)
But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.

Surely you've noticed that some folk take the President's public statements at face value.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#22669685)
The FDA has not approved it for COVID-19.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by redis_mlc on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22669776)
Not sure if that's relevant.

Once a drug is approved by the FDA for one disease, it can be used off-label for other purposes.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:06PM (#22669811)
It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so."

Like I could go and say "The FDA has approved Rogaine." It's true, but it's a useless statement in the context of Covid-19.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by marzell on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:56PM (#22670258)
Iodine is approved for treating exposure to radiation. That doesn't mean it's OK to start drinking from a bottle of industrial-use iodine that isn't made for human consumption.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by AstralStorm on Monday March 23, 2020 @11:53PM (#22671706)
Likely much safer than taking aquarium cleaner, presuming correct dosage. These things tend to be chemically pure.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by whateveracct on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:52PM (#22669663)
This story is clearly related to Trump and would not have happened without his statements.

Just because he didn't say anything 100% explicitly the cause it and may have been misinterpreted is honestly besides the point. When you are given the power of the presidency, you should either treat your public words with care of just quit forever for all our sakes.

This is just how having power _works_. It's a two-way street, and the idealistic American Way.

EDIT: Anyone care to explain the downvotes? This is my opinion on those gifted with power in all situations. It goes for companies as well. If you're the CEO, VPE, whatever. There should be checks to balance that gifted power. One check is a higher standard of public speaking due to your newfound influence.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by chrisco255 on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22669784)
Simple. You make a clear connection between Trump saying hydroxychloroquine has promise and they're fast-tracking FDA approval to...man consumes fish tank additive. Trump was not even the only high profile person touting it. Elon Musk, too, touts the drug. It's not even clear this man had COVID-19. How much of his actions were driven by the escalating irrational fear on news reports? How much was driven by some random internet forum somewhere making such a suggestion? What was the mental state of the man in question? Why didn't this man seek medical advice before consuming fish tank chemicals? There's a ton about just this one story to unpack, but of course it's been sensationalized as a political hit job.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by drodgers on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:55PM (#22669701)
And as we know, the exact wording of Trump's statements is of critical importance to how his supporters interpret them.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Orcus90482 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#22669634)
A quick skim of the article does not show any quote stating you should self medicate. There are quotes misrepresenting which stage of approval it is in.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#22669686)
Verbatim quote from the President: "if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody."

Edit: Yes, I realize what he probably meant. I know how meds work. I still think he should have chosen his wording more carefully.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by ummonk on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:00PM (#22669748)
I.e. even if the drug is ineffective, at least we know it doesn't have fatal side effects, because it has already been used widely and approved for malaria treatment after going through safety trials a long while ago. This is in contrast to experimental drugs, which don't just have questionable efficacy, but also unknown safety.

It goes without saying that like all prescription drugs which have been proven safe, chloroquine should only be taken when prescribed by a doctor, at the recommended dosage. Obviously if you self-medicate with any safe prescription drug, you risk harming yourself by overdosing.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by anigbrowl on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#22669898)
It doesn't really go without saying. Otherwise pharmaceutical advertising wouldn't need copious safety warnings in every single commercial.

I don't think it's a good idea to take the President's happy talk at face value, but then I also didn't think it was ever a good idea to spend money on Trump University, or donating to Trump charities; on the other hand, enough people did that the matters ended up in court and the two branded entities mentioned above were both found to be liable for misinforming their customers/donors.

There are a lot of stupid folk among the public, and it is to them that scam artists like Jim Bakker or Alex Jones market quack cures. There's an appetite for quack cures because they seem affordable relative to the often-inaccessible costs of basic medical treatment, because we don't have a universal public health system in the USA. The sad fact is that people sell snake oil because there are fat profits to be made by doing so, even though most of us recognize such products as little better than placebos at best or dangerous at worst.

This is why we have product regulation, credentialing and so on; it's hard for people to personally assess the quality of every product or service and there are unscrupulous people who are willing to exploit that difficulty.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#22669894)
I realize that's probably what he (or realistically, whoever told him that) meant, but that's not at all what he said.

He's talking to a broad, panicked audience and anyone doing so ought to choose their words carefully. Something like "Great news is that we've already had safety data for this stuff, so we're going straight to efficacy trials!" would convey plenty of optimism without encouraging yahoos to do dumb things.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by marzell on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:00PM (#22670297)
|it has already been used widely and approved for malaria treatment after going through safety trials a long while ago

This doesn't mean it's safe to take, it just means that taking it as prescribed is believed to lead to better outcomes than trying to survive Malaria without taking it.

There's any number of things that chemotherapy or radiation might help with, but unless it is terminal cancer, chances are you are better off without those treatments.

In medical terms, 'safe' is almost always relative. Tylenol is 'safe', and yet it kills many people every year.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:07PM (#22669826)
Advil is one of the safest drugs to take, but you can still kill yourself with it.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:32PM (#22670062)
And yet, my bottle doesn't say "Go crazy! This stuff is really safe!"

Instead, it says: "Do not take more than your recommended dose. An Advil overdose can damage your stomach or intestines. Use only the smallest amount of medication needed to get relief from your pain, swelling, or fever."

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:53PM (#22670238)
Yeah, which only establishes that the baseline understanding the common person has when taking drugs is to take the recommended dose. And nowhere was Trump saying "go crazy".
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:59PM (#22670286)
Alternately, that (legally-mandated?) warning is there because a non-negligable portion of the population needs regular reminders that more isn't always better.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:06PM (#22670352)
Yeah, but you have to be a whole new level of stupid to search for a drug not sourced from a pharmacy or sold in the medical section of the grocery store and take an unregulated amount without any medical oversight.

People come up with crazy, brain dead ideas all the time. There are flat earthers for crying out loud.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by marzell on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:57PM (#22670272)
It's too bad people don't realize you should take medical advice from medical professionals instead of politicians.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Orcus90482 on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:50PM (#22670219)
This quote does not literally say or imply one should self medicate. This quote in context appears to misrepresent the lethal dosage of the medication.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:10PM (#22670376)
Sure, but can't you see how some people, especially panicked ones, could take a glib comment about safety far too literally?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by chrisco255 on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:06PM (#22669813)
This news story is about a man consuming fish tank additive: https://aquariumstoredepot.com/products/chloroquine-phosphat...

I'm not sure the difference between this and the dosages and chemical makeup of the actual drug being touted by Trump but I imagine anyone with a lick of sense would avoid consuming chemicals designed for fish tanks.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:28PM (#22670022)
It's the phosphate salt vs. the sulphate one used in the human medicine (Plaquenil).

Both counterions get used in medicines, but it's tough to say in general if it matters: sometimes it makes a difference, other times it's just whatever's easier/cheaper to make.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by AmericanChopper on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:52PM (#22669664)
The article says Trump instructed the FDA to clinically trial it, and describes the conditions under which a doctor can currently prescribe it. What exactly are you claiming is irresponsible about this?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by LocalH on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:52PM (#22669666)
That link has absolutely nothing to do with whether Trump "recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine"
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Uehreka on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:06PM (#22669822)
Here’s one example of him advising that it might be useful: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauci-throws-cold-water-trum...

And yeah, his language is imprecise enough that you could pick it apart and find a reasonable motivation behind it if you looked hard enough. But even a really charitable reading can only upgrade his remarks from “flagrantly dangerous” to “unnecessary and not very helpful”, and we should expect more from the president than that.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by pmichaud on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:57PM (#22669729)
I was wondering the same. It's really hard to quote Trump because of the way he talks, but I looked up a transcript of the press conference in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres...

The quote (heavily pruned, but you can look it up in the link to verify I didn't change the meaning) is:

> Now, a drug called chloroquine ... is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis... in a somewhat different form ... But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, ... it’s not going to kill anybody.

> When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. ... But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug ... And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. [The FDA has] gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. ... So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states.

There is more, and it's similar in tone. So I don't think he said "Please go take the following drug without advice from your doctor" but he did say that it was powerful, safe, and already approved by the FDA. So I think it's fair to say that he was incautious in talking about a potentially dangerous, experimental treatment.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by powowowow on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:08PM (#22669833)
It really sucks that people are downvoting your cogent and fact-based response.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by pmichaud on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:34PM (#22670077)
I thought so too, but when someone gets involved in divisive topics online, they get what they get.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:56PM (#22669714)
Do you have an exact quote from Henry II where he asks someone to murder Thomas Becket?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mmhsieh on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:10PM (#22669856)
or an exact quote when George bush said there were WMDs in Iraq?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:18PM (#22669928)
"The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons." (October 7, 2002).

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/new/doc%2012/Pre...

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mmhsieh on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:20PM (#22669957)
by the standards of the trump defenders he literally needed to say "there are WMDs in Iraq"
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Xavdidtheshadow on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#22669639)
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by ummonk on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:55PM (#22669698)
He said that it has had very encouraging early results, and we know it won't kill anyone because it has already been in use, and that they will work with the FDA to make it available. All of this is accurate. It doesn't mean people should be self-medicating, anymore than they should be self-medicating for malaria treatment.

Look, I've been highly critical of Trump's handling of the crisis but you can't really pin this particular incident on him.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by cmurf on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:42PM (#22670147)
This is a smear tactic to silence the rational and logical criticism of near constant mendacity by a public official. The actual political agenda here is the smear tactic itself, that tries to stop holding such public officials accountable to their prior statements, as if they have taken no oath of office that binds them to a fiduciary duty to protect others.

We can have no civil society without these oaths being taken seriously, and holding people accountable for breaking them. It does not matter if they are CEOs, CFOs, CIOs, senators, representatives, or presidents. We are lost if they are treated as mere scraps of paper or words people say as blasé ritual.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by freepor on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:50PM (#22669643)
Exact quote regarding a drug not approved by the FDA for treatment of the disease: "We’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately." And: "It may work, it may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. Just a feeling."

From a pharmaceutical company, this would be patently illegal advertising since it's mentioning an off-label use of a drug. From a politician with zero medical knowledge, it's vastly irresponsible given the size of audience who listens to him and trusts him.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by tathougies on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#22669681)
The FDA has approved it as a prescription drug. You shouldn't use a prescription drug unless you have a doctor telling you to. A doctor would know to look for the side effects and contraindications of quinine (of which there are many).

Obviously, self medicating a prescription drug is irresponsible. None of what the president says changes that. He said the FDA approved it. Independent of the truth value of that statement, it would still be approved of as a prescription drug.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:55PM (#22669695)
The FDA has not approved it as a prescription drug for Covid-19. It's approved for malaria.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by wl on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22669778)
That's not really relevant. A physician can lawfully prescribe it today for COVID-19 despite not being FDA approved for that indication because it's approved for other indications. This is called off-label use. What FDA approval for treating COVID-19 would mean is that the drug could be marketed for such use. In a pandemic, I don't think that's a major consideration.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:07PM (#22669825)
It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so."
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by tathougies on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:44PM (#22670175)
Luckily a lay person cannot get medical grade chloroquine. They can purchase a chemical to use in aquariums, but that is not medication. Those chemicals are not regulated, and may contain all sorts of other compounds that could kill humans, or have an incorrect amount of chloroquine.

Sorry, no matter what the president says, self-medicating is nuts.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @09:52PM (#22671013)
> self-medicating is nuts.

Agreed.

> no matter what the president says,

That doesn't mean giving prominent authority figures a pass on outright falsehoods. He said the FDA approved chloroquine to be prescribed for Covid-19. The FDA said they had not done that.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by tathougies on Monday March 23, 2020 @10:41PM (#22671349)
> That doesn't mean giving prominent authority figures a pass on outright falsehoods. He said the FDA approved chloroquine to be prescribed for Covid-19. The FDA said they had not done that.

It doesn't matter, because chloroquine is already FDA approved to treat COVID 19. Let me explain: chloroquine is an FDA approved drug for malaria, which means doctors can prescribe it for whatever they want. It has been approved as a legal prescription drug and doctors can prescribe anything for any reason whatsoever.

That does not mean it's now okay to take it without a prescription.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by freepor on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:04PM (#22670328)
It’s obviously nuts to take medical advice from Donald Trump. However, some people will do it, which makes it irresponsible to give such advice, even obliquely.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:10PM (#22670377)
He didn't give medical advice. He was talking about what the FDA and what hospitals could do. There wasn't oblique advice in the slightest.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @09:50PM (#22670997)
> He was talking about what the FDA and what hospitals could do

And even that information was wrong. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by tathougies on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:24PM (#22670455)
Thankfully Trump didn't say to take it. He said doctors can prescribe it. Doctors know what dosage is safe (and there is a safe dosage, since quinines are sold at the grocery store all the time), and what contraindications there may be for certain dosages. Your aquarium cleaner box does not.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by decebalus1 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:51PM (#22669646)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12421203910547579... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/12413672399007785...

So everything below him explicitly telling everyone to obtain and consume chloroquine doesn't count, right? He's the goddamn president. I expect his words to be very carefully weighted.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by blunte on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:53PM (#22669673)
Let me help you a bit: s/I expect his words to be carefully weighted/I expect a person in his position to use carefully considered words/

By now we know that's not the reality the US lives in.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by alvah on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:19PM (#22669941)
Where have you been hiding since 2016, that you expect Trump's words to be very carefully weighted?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by chrisco255 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:53PM (#22669679)
You're blaming Trump for the peanut gallery on Twitter?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by AmericanChopper on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:18PM (#22669933)
I think if you want to criticize somebody for saying something, they should have at least actually said it.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by gowld on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:51PM (#22669657)
Please don't make inflammatory comments in lieu of simple Internet searches.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-u...