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Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by wolfi1 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:47PM (#22669608)
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by nostromo on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#22669633)
He said doctors can administer it under new FDA guidance.

He didn't say "drink an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks."

http://bannerhealth.mediaroom.com/chloroquinephosphate

I don't see why every story needs to be about him.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by anigbrowl on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:59PM (#22669742)
But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it — if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.

Surely you've noticed that some folk take the President's public statements at face value.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#22669685)
The FDA has not approved it for COVID-19.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by redis_mlc on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22669776)
Not sure if that's relevant.

Once a drug is approved by the FDA for one disease, it can be used off-label for other purposes.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by triceratops on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:06PM (#22669811)
It absolutely is relevant. A layperson will hear "chloroquine works on Covid-19. The FDA's approved it. The President himself said so."

Like I could go and say "The FDA has approved Rogaine." It's true, but it's a useless statement in the context of Covid-19.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by marzell on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:56PM (#22670258)
Iodine is approved for treating exposure to radiation. That doesn't mean it's OK to start drinking from a bottle of industrial-use iodine that isn't made for human consumption.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by AstralStorm on Monday March 23, 2020 @11:53PM (#22671706)
Likely much safer than taking aquarium cleaner, presuming correct dosage. These things tend to be chemically pure.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by whateveracct on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:52PM (#22669663)
This story is clearly related to Trump and would not have happened without his statements.

Just because he didn't say anything 100% explicitly the cause it and may have been misinterpreted is honestly besides the point. When you are given the power of the presidency, you should either treat your public words with care of just quit forever for all our sakes.

This is just how having power _works_. It's a two-way street, and the idealistic American Way.

EDIT: Anyone care to explain the downvotes? This is my opinion on those gifted with power in all situations. It goes for companies as well. If you're the CEO, VPE, whatever. There should be checks to balance that gifted power. One check is a higher standard of public speaking due to your newfound influence.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by chrisco255 on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#22669784)
Simple. You make a clear connection between Trump saying hydroxychloroquine has promise and they're fast-tracking FDA approval to...man consumes fish tank additive. Trump was not even the only high profile person touting it. Elon Musk, too, touts the drug. It's not even clear this man had COVID-19. How much of his actions were driven by the escalating irrational fear on news reports? How much was driven by some random internet forum somewhere making such a suggestion? What was the mental state of the man in question? Why didn't this man seek medical advice before consuming fish tank chemicals? There's a ton about just this one story to unpack, but of course it's been sensationalized as a political hit job.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by drodgers on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:55PM (#22669701)
And as we know, the exact wording of Trump's statements is of critical importance to how his supporters interpret them.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Orcus90482 on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#22669634)
A quick skim of the article does not show any quote stating you should self medicate. There are quotes misrepresenting which stage of approval it is in.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#22669686)
Verbatim quote from the President: "if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody."

Edit: Yes, I realize what he probably meant. I know how meds work. I still think he should have chosen his wording more carefully.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by ummonk on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:00PM (#22669748)
I.e. even if the drug is ineffective, at least we know it doesn't have fatal side effects, because it has already been used widely and approved for malaria treatment after going through safety trials a long while ago. This is in contrast to experimental drugs, which don't just have questionable efficacy, but also unknown safety.

It goes without saying that like all prescription drugs which have been proven safe, chloroquine should only be taken when prescribed by a doctor, at the recommended dosage. Obviously if you self-medicate with any safe prescription drug, you risk harming yourself by overdosing.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by anigbrowl on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#22669898)
It doesn't really go without saying. Otherwise pharmaceutical advertising wouldn't need copious safety warnings in every single commercial.

I don't think it's a good idea to take the President's happy talk at face value, but then I also didn't think it was ever a good idea to spend money on Trump University, or donating to Trump charities; on the other hand, enough people did that the matters ended up in court and the two branded entities mentioned above were both found to be liable for misinforming their customers/donors.

There are a lot of stupid folk among the public, and it is to them that scam artists like Jim Bakker or Alex Jones market quack cures. There's an appetite for quack cures because they seem affordable relative to the often-inaccessible costs of basic medical treatment, because we don't have a universal public health system in the USA. The sad fact is that people sell snake oil because there are fat profits to be made by doing so, even though most of us recognize such products as little better than placebos at best or dangerous at worst.

This is why we have product regulation, credentialing and so on; it's hard for people to personally assess the quality of every product or service and there are unscrupulous people who are willing to exploit that difficulty.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#22669894)
I realize that's probably what he (or realistically, whoever told him that) meant, but that's not at all what he said.

He's talking to a broad, panicked audience and anyone doing so ought to choose their words carefully. Something like "Great news is that we've already had safety data for this stuff, so we're going straight to efficacy trials!" would convey plenty of optimism without encouraging yahoos to do dumb things.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by marzell on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:00PM (#22670297)
|it has already been used widely and approved for malaria treatment after going through safety trials a long while ago

This doesn't mean it's safe to take, it just means that taking it as prescribed is believed to lead to better outcomes than trying to survive Malaria without taking it.

There's any number of things that chemotherapy or radiation might help with, but unless it is terminal cancer, chances are you are better off without those treatments.

In medical terms, 'safe' is almost always relative. Tylenol is 'safe', and yet it kills many people every year.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:07PM (#22669826)
Advil is one of the safest drugs to take, but you can still kill yourself with it.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:32PM (#22670062)
And yet, my bottle doesn't say "Go crazy! This stuff is really safe!"

Instead, it says: "Do not take more than your recommended dose. An Advil overdose can damage your stomach or intestines. Use only the smallest amount of medication needed to get relief from your pain, swelling, or fever."

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:53PM (#22670238)
Yeah, which only establishes that the baseline understanding the common person has when taking drugs is to take the recommended dose. And nowhere was Trump saying "go crazy".
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:59PM (#22670286)
Alternately, that (legally-mandated?) warning is there because a non-negligable portion of the population needs regular reminders that more isn't always better.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by abnry on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:06PM (#22670352)
Yeah, but you have to be a whole new level of stupid to search for a drug not sourced from a pharmacy or sold in the medical section of the grocery store and take an unregulated amount without any medical oversight.

People come up with crazy, brain dead ideas all the time. There are flat earthers for crying out loud.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by marzell on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:57PM (#22670272)
It's too bad people don't realize you should take medical advice from medical professionals instead of politicians.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by Orcus90482 on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:50PM (#22670219)
This quote does not literally say or imply one should self medicate. This quote in context appears to misrepresent the lethal dosage of the medication.
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @08:10PM (#22670376)
Sure, but can't you see how some people, especially panicked ones, could take a glib comment about safety far too literally?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by chrisco255 on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:06PM (#22669813)
This news story is about a man consuming fish tank additive: https://aquariumstoredepot.com/products/chloroquine-phosphat...

I'm not sure the difference between this and the dosages and chemical makeup of the actual drug being touted by Trump but I imagine anyone with a lick of sense would avoid consuming chemicals designed for fish tanks.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by mattkrause on Monday March 23, 2020 @07:28PM (#22670022)
It's the phosphate salt vs. the sulphate one used in the human medicine (Plaquenil).

Both counterions get used in medicines, but it's tough to say in general if it matters: sometimes it makes a difference, other times it's just whatever's easier/cheaper to make.

Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by AmericanChopper on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:52PM (#22669664)
The article says Trump instructed the FDA to clinically trial it, and describes the conditions under which a doctor can currently prescribe it. What exactly are you claiming is irresponsible about this?
Re:Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine by LocalH on Monday March 23, 2020 @06:52PM (#22669666)
That link has absolutely nothing to do with whether Trump "recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine"