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Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by zck on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:30PM (#22576938)
I wonder if it's better to take the subway, or use a citibike. With the shared bikes, you're farther away from other people, but you're physically touching the shared bike all the time.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by quantdev on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:42PM (#22577030)
The primary transmission route in inhalation in close proximity to an infected person. Yes, it can persist on surfaces, but this hand-washing meme is mostly a result of (1) it costs nothing and may help, so we should try and (2) masks are supply limited and the healthcare industry doesn't have enough. In reality, if we had an abundance of masks, masks would be more important than hand washing. As it stands, we reserve them for HC workers and infected persons. The point being, subways are worse.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:47PM (#22577065)
If you take the hand washing and not touching your face, then you're at almost zero risk from using shared bicycles. Even if someone gets some rona on the handlebars, if you don't transfer it to an orifice in your face you won't catch it. It's not gonna re-aerosolize off the handlebars.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by btgeekboy on Saturday March 14, 2020 @05:11PM (#22578732)
The handlebars are also out in the sun. I'd think that subjects them to the UV light needed to kill any of the nasty stuff; but I could be wrong.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by generationP on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:54PM (#22577134)
"Not touching your face" is not a viable solution for most people. It's subconscious. If anyone could master this kind of self-control within a week, everyone would be an arahat.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by usaar333 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:14PM (#22577329)
It's pretty easy to not touch your face when your hands are physically on the handlebars. As long as you are able to wash your hands immediately after getting off the bike, I think you are reasonably safe.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by wool_gather on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:03PM (#22577224)
It's not expected to be perfect and immediate. It's about lowering risk as much as feasible and defense in depth.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:13PM (#22577839)
I don't think that's true. People can get a lot better at it in a relatively short period of time. I have.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by magicroot75 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:40PM (#22578069)
Face touching is literally unconscious in many cases. It's entirely possible you've been touching your face and not noticing it, but have just become more conscious of the times you attempt to stop yourself from touching your face.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @07:38PM (#22579641)
Moving your arms isn't like breathing. It's not some autonomic nervous function.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by dmix on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:00PM (#22577191)
If you aren’t aware of this those ML apps that beep when you touch your face are pretty surprising.

Also there’s the whole psychological thing about telling someone not to do something when it was previously largely automatic, making people do it more. Like having an itch or imagining insect bites.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by dmix on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:55PM (#22577140)
I read N95 masks were basically useless when walking outside, they only mattered indoors and in confined spaces (like public transit). I’d imagine biking is even less transmission and wearing a mask with that is pretty unrealistic.

It’s hard to find what is right on the internet though.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by erikbye on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:39PM (#22578063)
There is definitely a higher risk you inhale enough virus progeny indoors than outdoors, yes. We know from the flu that indoors the virus can stay suspended for many hours. Regular talking can project enough virus from an infected person for the air to become sufficiently contaminated, though shedding varies by individual. The more (longer) you breathe that air, the greater your chance of becoming infected. This might also explain why indoors is a greater risk than outdoors, you spend less time in the air that's contaminated, in addition to the greater diffusion/dispersion outdoors, of course.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by newtoday on Saturday March 14, 2020 @07:42PM (#22579661)
Are you saying I could breathe in some, conveying a small amount of the virus, and not get infected? That seems to be the opposite of what highly contagious means.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by erikbye on Sunday March 15, 2020 @11:58AM (#22584133)
Disclaimer: Not a virologist.

A virus has to achieve viral entry: it has to find a suitable host cell, and introduce its viral material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_entry

Whether an aerosol hits your face, or you breathe air with suspended particles containing the virus, the virus has several challenges it needs to overcome (described in the link above). Its success is not guaranteed. An increase in virus particles improves its chance while a decrease improves your chance.

In theory, a single virus particle could achieve its goal.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by jbay808 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:18PM (#22577366)
I biked in an N95 in Vancouver during forest fire season in 2018. Not fun, but doable and it definitely helped -- without the mask I felt absolutely awful.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:14PM (#22577850)
That's for a different situation, though. The smoke particulates are very small and are omnipresent, so a mask definitely helps. Coronavirus, by contrast, is only airborne for a short while, so unless you're close to someone who's infected you're not going to be breathing it in anyway. That's why they're saying the masks have limited effectiveness outside.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by jbay808 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:20PM (#22577897)
Oh, when the GP said it's unrealistic to bike in a mask, I thought they meant it would be too difficult. Maybe they just meant unnecessary, in which case I agree.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:21PM (#22577906)
Yeah, I'm thinking that's what they must mean. An N95 mask doesn't cut down your breathing that much, and you can simply down-moderate your effort a little bit so that you never hit a pant. It's no gas mask.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by magicroot75 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:41PM (#22578081)
When you say it's only airborne for a short while, what exact time range are you speaking about?
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by wideasleep1 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @06:04PM (#22579070)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v...

edit: Sorry, didn't realize that link was subsequently truncated, here is the .pdf: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v...

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by koolba on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:05PM (#22577237)
Useless or pointless?
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by Scoundreller on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:22PM (#22577910)
Pointless waste of a perfectly good mask.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by echelon on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:05PM (#22577243)
Do you have a citation for this? I don't want to blindly trust that fomites aren't a major risk.

If true, that changes how I want to get food to my elders. (I've already gotten them several months worth, but I don't see an end to this and would feel safer if they had more runway.)

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by wool_gather on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:29PM (#22577443)
The CDC does state in one place that inhalation appears to be the primary route: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmissi...

It says surface -> hands -> mucous membrane "is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads".

But then again, the TTL of the virus on surfaces is still not certain, so, as also noted there "we are still learning how it spreads".

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by erikbye on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:28PM (#22577959)
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by cranekam on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:18PM (#22577362)
Just wash your hands and try not to touch your face. Any virus that is on the bike isn't going to walk up your arms and down your throat. Personally I find it pretty easy to not touch my face. I doubt I am perfect at it but I catch myself a lot.

Being outside has to be better than in an enclosed space (a subway car) holding onto handles that dozens of people touched in the last hour.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by zck on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:29PM (#22577437)
I mean, by the time I'm gone from a citibike to a place where I can wash my hands, I've had to touch a lot of other things. It's not like there are sinks directly next to the citibike stands.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by cranekam on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:42PM (#22578088)
Then you should wash them at the first chance and avoid touching your face. The only way to be safe here is to seal yourself into a room and avoid all exposure. Since that’s probably not possible the next best thing is to just do the best you can.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by swiley on Saturday March 14, 2020 @09:09PM (#22580217)
I'm not saying it's a good idea but it's totally possible for a lot of us.

The company I work for has sent everyone home until next month and you can have groceries delivered over the internet here.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by adrianN on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:33PM (#22577483)
Carry some disinfectant with you. Covid19 is easily killed by alcohols.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by saklani on Saturday March 14, 2020 @04:00PM (#22578198)
Maybe use hand sanitizer
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by jvm___ on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:36PM (#22576987)
You can sanitize a bike pretty easy, or just wear gloves, you only really touch the handlebars. More control over whose air you breathe. I can understand the choice.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by agumonkey on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:01PM (#22577209)
honestly enclosed space feel bad right now

make alcohol solution and wipe stuff you're about to touch

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by magicroot75 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:38PM (#22578052)
I thought they've found the virus to be much more transmittable by air than by touching public surfaces. Is that not the case?
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by mhb on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:36PM (#22576985)
Wipe it down with bleach solution.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by Alex3917 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @01:51PM (#22577097)
Because the bike industry is currently switching over from rim brakes to disc brakes, you can get some pretty good deals on older (but still brand new) road bikes if you look around. A few months ago I bought a carbon road bike for less than $1,500 including tax. Granted expect to spend at least as much on accessories, but if you live somewhere where you can use it for both commuting and exercise then it still pays for itself pretty quick.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by thedance on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:03PM (#22577220)
This is the whole problem with American bicycle culture summarized in a single post. There’s way too many carbon-fiber sports bikes and not anywhere near enough step-through town bikes with panniers, fenders and lights.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by Alex3917 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:12PM (#22577307)
The basic issue is that in Amsterdam most trips are only a mile or two, whereas in NYC it's often a 10 or 15 mile commute between home and work. But yeah if you're only going a couple miles on mostly flat terrain then no question a commuter bike is a better choice.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by vikramkr on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:07PM (#22577791)
And commuting even a couple miles on Philadelphia roads is basically like off roading at times - and San Francisco hills are legendary in their own right. I was rattling my brain out of my skull trying to deal with rough Philly roads in the winter and a proper carbon bike with good brakes/ability to stop on a dime if a crazy driver is cutting me off (I have heard legends of these things called "protected bike Lanes" - I hope to see one someday...) was a godsend.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by thedance on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:12PM (#22577821)
On rough roads I’ve never been happier than on my longtail Xtracycle Edgerunner. With the seat post far removed from the axle, and a flexible steel frame, and Big Apple tires, it is ultra-comfortable.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by vikramkr on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:16PM (#22577861)
That sounds like a sweet ride - glad you found one that works for you. I got a trek something (one of those cases where the fancy version from last year was on sale because the new model has cables inside instead of outside and made it obsolete or something) and it's been awesome. It also got me into cycling for fun as well - and again - Philly streets, it's been nice to have something able to stand up to it instead of what I had before haha
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by watwut on Saturday March 14, 2020 @04:30PM (#22578415)
Amsterdam has humidity and weather in which parts corrode. And bikes get stolen often. It just does not make sense to buy expensive bike that gonna get damaged fast or stolen fast.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by thedance on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:09PM (#22577807)
If you have further to go you’ll be even less happy with the sporting bike because it can’t carry your stuff. The solution to long distances is electric bikes, not sports bikes.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by jcheng on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:53PM (#22578155)
There’s a huge range of bikes between ones so sporty that they can’t take a rack and fenders, and step-through city bikes.

Here’s a typical example, it has an endurance geometry and has mounts for a rack: https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/road-bikes/gravel-b...

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by aqme28 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:24PM (#22577400)
I don't think that's right. Most of my bike rides are about 1-3 miles. When I commute to work it's about 6 miles and that's farther than most people bike here.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by zck on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:55PM (#22577674)
I think the statement is "most NYC commutes are longer than Amsterdam commutes, so chances are lower that each commute could be done by bicycle".

My commute would be almost six miles by bicycle. I'm not especially looking to replace the subway with a bike trip.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by danieldk on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:22PM (#22577916)
My commute would be almost six miles by bicycle. I'm not especially looking to replace the subway with a bike trip.

We cycled 8 miles to high school every day (so, 16 per day). Cycling 6 miles is not a lot, unless you have to stop every minute at a traffic light.

Up till 1.5 year ago (when I wasn't working remotely), I cycled 7 miles to work every single day (also through rain and snow). For good measure, I'd take an extra hilly route the way back twice a week for some extra exercise.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by zck on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:41PM (#22578078)
> Cycling 6 miles is not a lot...

If you say so. It is for me. It's not only a long distance (google maps says 35 minutes, which I suspect is an underestimate), but also would be significantly inconvenient -- do I shower at work, and when I get home? What if I want to go somewhere after work -- leave the bike and come back for it?

I love the idea of biking, but I don't see it being useful for my commute.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by watwut on Saturday March 14, 2020 @04:32PM (#22578441)
> do I shower at work, and when I get home?

Observation: those who bike fast and get sweaty or live far shower at work. It is typically quick shower. No idea what they do at home.

Slow people who dont sweat dont shower at work.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by thedance on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:44PM (#22578101)
Fundamentally there is no transportation solution to land use problems. If your destinations are inconveniently far apart, no bicycle, tram, bus, or train can fix that. The closest you can get to the convenience of a car without all the externalized social costs is an electric bicycle.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by zck on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:49PM (#22578120)
I have an average commute, I'd say, for NYC. It's not like I'm some sort of supercommuter (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-surging-ranks-of-super-comm...).
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by thedance on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:57PM (#22578174)
I don’t doubt it but statistically New York has a very high average commute time compared to other American cities.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by tjr225 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:21PM (#22577385)
Eh, the trend now is for steel bikes that can ride anywhere with braze ons for accessories. It’ll just take a while for it to catch on.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by Alex3917 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:34PM (#22577492)
If you can't bring your bike inside your building then no question steel is the way to go. NYC has some laws to encourage building owners to provide bike storage though, e.g.:

https://www1.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/bikesinbuildin...

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by adrianN on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:36PM (#22577511)
Or you can buy a $500 no frills quality bike or a $200 bike shaped Walmart thing.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by fennecfoxen on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:08PM (#22577800)
The problem with the bike shaped Walmart thing is that it is absolutely irreparable.

Got a $200 bike shaped thing first thing when I got a job (technically Kmart but otherwise the same). Dumb mistake. The crank gear bent out of shape before too long, just from applying pedal power to climb a hill. On another bike, that’d be $20 in parts and $40 in labor maybe? On this one it was basically impossible as it was not designed to be replaceable or even serviceable and I had to throw the bike away.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:16PM (#22577863)
Never mind that they're assembled by Walmart employees who have no idea what they're doing, and can be quite unsafe. You wouldn't buy a $10 airbag replacement for a car, and you shouldn't buy the cheapest bike possible. This is safety equipment; a failure at speed can be quite injurious to your body.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by Alex3917 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:26PM (#22577948)
Exactly. Cheap bikes are made out of aluminum, which can fail at any time without warning and cause injury or death. Much better just to pay extra for carbon / steel / titanium. Carbon still fails, but there are more likely to be warnings first, and even if it does fail completely you're not likely to puncture a lung or whatever from it getting impaled through your chest. Steel and titanium shouldn't fail at all unless you're in a bad accident first. Bikes are great, but you need to take seriously the fact that they can cause serious injury or death.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @07:34PM (#22579607)
Where are you getting this from? Carbon fiber is more failure-prone than aluminum is. There are some very nice bikes made out of aluminum (up to the several thousand dollar range). Steel vs aluminum is more of a choice in ride comfort vs weight.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by kqr on Sunday March 15, 2020 @04:29AM (#22582180)
Aluminium is fatigued with use over time, so will at some point fail, even if it's not subjected to major trauma. (This is opposed to steel which is only fatigued by major trauma, and carbon fibre which cracks when you look at it wrong.)
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Sunday March 15, 2020 @10:15AM (#22583584)
This seems like an overblown concern. How often are aluminum frames actually failing? How many miles and how many years do you have to put on one before it fails? And how do these figures contrast with steel? And don't forget that steel is more susceptible to rust than aluminum is, so depending on climate and salting conditions the steel might fail first.

My aluminum road bike cost me $600 new and I have four years of daily commuting on it so far. It's still in good condition and I expect to get many more years of riding out of it. At this rate I'm gonna have it for longer than the average car ownership period in the US (which is about 7 years).

The fears are being blown out of proportion.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by kqr on Monday March 16, 2020 @10:31AM (#22593008)
It is definitely an overblown concern. I just wanted to present the steel man version of the grandparent's argument.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by uk_programmer on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:14PM (#22577320)
As someone that used to be an avid cyclist. Disc brakes are almost completely pointless for commuter bicycles. Don't get me wrong they are great when mountain biking (I have cable discs on my mountain bike). On a commuter bike they are mostly just overkill IMHO. But I wouldn't buy a carbon road bike either (All my bikes are steel framed).
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CydeWeys on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:18PM (#22577876)
I'm a year-round bike commuter, and I really appreciate those disc brakes when I'm biking in heavier rain. Don't underestimate how much better they work than rim brakes in adverse weather conditions.

I'd say it's just the other way around; disc brakes are most useful for commuters, and least useful for dedicated race bikes, because you just don't go out racing when it's raining a lot (and you're typically on a closed course besides so there's less braking).

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by uk_programmer on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:36PM (#22578034)
I live in the UK and rim brakes are fine in even heavy rain. What they are not fine with is mud and grit on the rim.

I do use a touring bike (basically a racing bike that isn't quite as aggressive) and I've ridden that all year round.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by mikestew on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:55PM (#22577679)
Disc brakes are almost completely pointless for commuter bicycles

Ignore this comment. Year-round commuting is the prime reason to buy a bike with disc brakes. Is it overkill not to burn through a set of rims each winter? Is it overkill to have decreased stopping distance in the rain?

Anyone want to go back to drum brakes on their “commuter” car? Yeah, didn’t think so.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by justinfrankel on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:18PM (#22577877)
I have short-reach dual pivot brake calipers on a bike which sees >2000 miles year-round each year in NYC, and my rims are still fine after 7 years.

From my experience, stopping distance is usually dictated by road conditions more than the brakes. This is with 34mm wide tires, and properly adjusted brakes (a lot of times when people complain about rim brakes, the issue is that they are not working properly).

Side note: fenders are a must!

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by grogenaut on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:26PM (#22577946)
Sure and the point is discs will much more easily stop you, the limit of the stopping power is not the brake (friction on rim) like they are in cantilevers, but with the overall physics of the system. Discs are generally in alignment, or very very obviously out of alignment (rubbing loudly), canti's have a lot more room for error.

I'd much rather have a brake system that out performs the rest of the equation than not have enough stopping power.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by mikestew on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:26PM (#22577947)
In Seattle, I’m not the only one on my race team that would eat rims every year or two.

Fact is, rim brakes are inferior in every way to just about every alternative, save two: they’re inexpensive and lightweight.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by uk_programmer on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:22AM (#22583040)
> I’m not the only one on my race team that would eat rims every year or two.

This really says it all. When I am cycling to work, I am not trying out for the tour de france or trying to beat someone else's strava record.

> Fact is, rim brakes are inferior in every way to just about every alternative, save two: they’re inexpensive and lightweight.

It doesn't matter if they are inferior. My regular disc brakes on my Ford Focus is inferior in every way compared to whatever they put on a Ferrari. However they are perfectly is sufficient and safe for driving to work and back.

The best argument you can make for discs vs traditional rim brakes would be that the modulation is slightly better.

It really annoys me that a lot of cyclists seem to push very expensive kit that for the commuter is completely unnecessary.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by uk_programmer on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:40PM (#22578075)
> Ignore this comment.

Why because you don't agree with it?

> Is it overkill not to burn through a set of rims each winter?

I dunno how you are doing this. A set of brake pads last quite a while usually. I have rims from the 1990s I am still using.

> Is it overkill to have decreased stopping distance in the rain?

Your stopping distance is more about how much grip you got on the road from the tyres. You can easily lock the wheel with a rim brake, especially if you have a good set of dual pivot or V-brakes.

For commuting you don't need anything flashy or complicated (because it will be a magnet for thieves). I literally get a basic but decent bike. If the parts are basic and ubiquitous you can go to any bike shop and get it repaired or by the parts yourself. If you have fancy equipment, then it more difficult to buy a replacement.

When I was commuting on the bike still, I used an old 90s mountain bike with V-brakes and I converted it to Single Speed (the gears were knackered) and stuck some touring tyres on there. However I was cycling in Manchester which is mostly flat. It really depends where you are.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by adrianN on Sunday March 15, 2020 @02:11AM (#22581689)
I commute year round in Germany and never had to replace my rims because of wear. They last years until I hit a curb too hard with barely any wear. Maybe it's different in other climates?
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by grogenaut on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:23PM (#22577925)
As someone who rides 2k miles a year in seattle for multiple years your attitude is why I had to pay through the nose and do all sorts of custom crap to have a decent braking solution that didn't eat my rims and worked well on steep hills and the oily wet on the rims. I'm glad that discs are finally taking over, even if it's 10 years after they should have because "they're not tour legal".
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by Alex3917 on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:34PM (#22578013)
Yeah if you're commuting in the rain or with lots of hills then disc brakes are definitely worth it. But if neither of those apply to you, they're probably not a good use of money, especially considering it still costs quite a lot to get good quality hydraulic disc brakes.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by grogenaut on Saturday March 14, 2020 @05:16PM (#22578763)
Mechanical discs are pretty cheap now and quite effective. I've had both. They're all better than canti-s
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by danieldk on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:30PM (#22577971)
I cycled approximately 5000 kilometers per year (cycling to work + over the weekends), also through hilly terrain. I have never had my brakes eat my rims.

Also, even if they did. Replacing a 800 Euro bike once per two years is peanuts compared to owning a car or taking public transport.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by grogenaut on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:36PM (#22578026)
Good for you, does that somehow make my experience invalid? No it's a YMMV which is why discs are important to me.

Replacing a 2k usd bike every 2 years in addition to paying for car while I try to work into cycling is a big cost. I'm a big person, I've had pretty much every rim but velocity touring rims fail due to weight and stress, and rim brakes made this worse and fail faster, it's also real shady to have a rim crack while you're riding it. Discs completely remove that from the equation.

Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by CedarMadness on Saturday March 14, 2020 @03:32PM (#22577994)
I would get rim brakes over another set of cable disc brakes. I recently got a gravel bike as my "go anywhere" bike, and the cable disc brakes are absolute garbage, constantly going out of adjustment and rubbing, making noise, or just being ineffective. As a contrast, my hydraulics on my mountain bike are absolutely fine with minimal work, just a flush every year and changing the pads when they wear down.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by lolc on Saturday March 14, 2020 @07:57PM (#22579745)
I had shitty cable disc brakes before. With the same complaints. I Replaced them with TRP Spyke brakes and all of that went away. I'll never lose another perfectly good wheel to rim wear. But I can see how that is a secondary concern.
Re:Coronavirus has caused a bicycling boom in New York City by veggieburglar on Sunday March 15, 2020 @11:27AM (#22583957)
TRPs are so good and so cheap. I rode Shimano XT for years, and the TRP is the only thing I’ve experienced that is better quality and more reliable while not being outlandishly expensive. Super happy with them!

Cable discs, while better than rims, still suck. I feel unsafe riding anything but hydraulics, even on the road.