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Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by fragsworth on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:55PM (#22532599)
We should be quarantining every city in the U.S. right now. You're 100% correct, and it's going to be just as bad here.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by baddox on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:10AM (#22533189)
Now long would you maintain that quarantine? Is there some amount of time after which the virus will go away?

Any call for drastic measures, even when drastic measures seem like common sense to some people, need to explain why the measures should be implemented and under what circumstances they should be lifted.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by grey-area on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:28AM (#22534004)
They are undertaken so that the health service is not overwhelmed with cases. When that happens (as in Italy), you need to triage infected and let some number of people die, who otherwise would not have died. So it is best avoided.

They're lifted after most of the population has already been infected and the disease has run its course (as in China).

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by arethuza on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:21AM (#22534480)
Presumably as soon as the number of patients requiring ICU goes above the number of available ICU beds then those kind of measures must be taken - even though its clearly a pretty terrible choice for someone to have to make.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by greedo on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:05PM (#22537234)
And at that point it's too late.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by Jedd on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:48AM (#22533324)
I concur with GP - but here in Australia we're run by fantasists, so it's not going to happen here either.

> Now long would you maintain that quarantine?

I'd suggest start with 2 weeks, and reassess after 10 days. I note that in TFA Italy's administration extended this (initially) out to the 3rd of April, which seems like a reasonable timeframe.

Incarcerated people rioted ... and a churlish part of my brain suggests that's just to be expected, but each nation state can learn from, and put more effort into educating than, the earlier pioneers.

> Is there some amount of time after which the virus will go away?

We don't really know - but it sounds like a rhetorical question(?).

I know that I'd be happy with a two week lockdown - option to renew - here in AU ... especially if it reduced my chance of dying. The numbers cited in TFA are suggesting a 3% mortality rate now, and massive propagation rates and embarrassingly poor treatment / survival rates even in a first world country early on in the pandemic cycle.

> Any call for drastic measures, even when drastic measures seem like common sense to some people, need to explain why the measures should be implemented and under what circumstances they should be lifted.

I'd invert your usage of the precautionary principle and ask, given what we know so far, why the default response isn't to shut down non-essential travel and public events for a couple of weeks.

I mean, what's your acceptable ratio of dead people : inconvenienced live people?

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by cylinder on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:32AM (#22534540)
The response here in Australia has been so pathetic. Especially from the private sector.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by LoSboccacc on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:32AM (#22533745)
most people outside of the previous red zone is uncaring about the new emergency restrictions

step 1 should have been to bring military in the streets to enforce the thing, because police is both decimated by the virus and overwhelmed from the new responsibilities and cannot handle what's happening

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by ithkuil on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:45AM (#22534075)
perhaps there is no need to go to extremes.

Where I live I already have to provide my babysitter a signed letter where I certify that she comes to work here. She's from a different township (comune) and the police could fine her if caught without that document.

It's not going to stop 100% of people from moving around, but even it this reduces the spread by a few % it's already a big improvement; even reducing the daily rate from 21% to 20% can have a 20x effect on total cases over a year.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by LoSboccacc on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:52AM (#22645220)
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/europe/italy-military-cor...

so I guess I was right since the beginning

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by LoSboccacc on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:13AM (#22534202)
lol I'm not advocating treating it as a war zone, just calling in the military to do police work
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by adrianN on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @06:03AM (#22534148)
Until we have a vaccine or at least better treatment options.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by davidw on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:50AM (#22532817)
Something we can all do as individuals is stop going out to unnecessary things. I'm avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms and large groups.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by mrexroad on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:33AM (#22533269)
ah, the joys of being deeply introverted. avoiding restaurants, bars, gyms, and large groups -- why, that's my ideal day.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by pishpash on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:10AM (#22533630)
Not great when you know it's not a choice, introverted or not.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by Ma8ee on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:56AM (#22532845)
I think in the us something as simple as paid sick leave for all service workers could make a huge difference.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by newtoday on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:08AM (#22532902)
In the past 5 days, some organizations who can afford it have shut down offices and are providing just that. I'm not at liberty to expose info on who, because I'm not sure it's been made public or not.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by Ma8ee on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @03:36AM (#22533477)
Are any those organisations like Walmart or McDonalds that employ a lot of people who often don’t have any savings and any margins at all?
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by newtoday on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @03:55AM (#22533563)
Definitely not. When common franchise chains close, and people can't work, nor shop, is when it will be too late, and dire.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by Ma8ee on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @05:33AM (#22534023)
Maybe not necessary to close the whole shop, just make the workers with symptoms afford to stay away.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by alasdair_ on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @03:20AM (#22533418)
I also work for one such organization.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by hef19898 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @04:49AM (#22533824)
So, assuming you won't name the org you are working at, what prevents you from naming some of the others?
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by ppg677 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:06AM (#22532642)
It might not be. Lower population density and a lack of public transportation. I would worry about NYC though.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by adrianN on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:42AM (#22533307)
Lots of workers who can't stay home when they're sick without losing their job though.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by briandear on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:15AM (#22532680)
When? I keep hearing that, but where is the evidence?
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by dpau on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:24AM (#22532710)
no tests, no evidence
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by Bombthecat on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:39AM (#22533293)
I think worse.

But i askari think it will go exactly like the Spanish flu. We will have a second wave which will also kill the younger.

Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by hef19898 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:48AM (#22533325)
Why would you think that? By the way, the Spanish was harsh on younger generations in all cases.
Re:Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to... by Bombthecat on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:03AM (#22543147)
Nope, the first wave of the flu only killed older people and people with a low immune system. Just like the corona virus. The Spanish flu hit in three waves. The first like this one. The second wave hit the younger. The third wave hit the rest.