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Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by MattDamonSpace on Monday March 09, 2020 @04:29PM (#22529408)
Yep. I've been sitting here thinking Amazon was going to spool up tons of retail locations that leveraged their tech to create a massive moat that other Brick & Mortars couldn't possibly compete with.

In hindsight it seems obvious that the play was to "AWS" the whole thing: make yourself the first/best customer, nail the implementation, then sell it to the world.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by sarah180 on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:05PM (#22529794)
It's hard to imagine Amazon actually starting a bunch of retail locations. They'd probably buy Whole Foods or something…
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by derefr on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:10PM (#22531760)
Surprising to me that Whole Foods still doesn't have this tech integrated. You'd think that'd be the "beta" step after the Amazon Store's "alpha" step.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by mkolodny on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:09PM (#22532418)
Maybe they don't want to draw attention to how many people are going to lose their jobs because of this yet. Cashier is the #2 job in the US (by number of people employed) [0].

If they released this at Whole Foods, I'd guess they'd fire all the cashiers there. That would make this rollout a lot less exciting for a lot of people.

I hope Amazon comes up with an awesome way to help the cashiers this technology replaces. Then if self-driving cars end up working out, that industry can learn from what Amazon did.

[0] https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rudy-takala/top-2-us-jo...

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by owenmarshall on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:54PM (#22532594)
> I hope Amazon comes up with an awesome way to help the cashiers this technology replaces.

They can be retrained to work in fulfillment centers. Amazon will provide the piss bottles.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by altec3 on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:37PM (#22538172)
We're already most of the way there with self checkout. My local Home Depot only has self checkout now, with 1 person managing something like 10-15 registers. They left the person running the "Pro"/lumber checkout area, but that area looks like it's being set up for self checkout too. They also seem to have removed the Garden Center checkout.

I'm not saying it's a great thing, just that the jobs Just Walk Out will be replacing are already being replaced by self checkout.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by jvagner on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @12:23PM (#22547061)
I frequent Whole Foods, and I digital nomad a bit, so I visit a lot of Whole Foods-es.

Recently came back to the East Bay (SF) and the Whole Foods I'm staying near, more than the others, seems like a staging store for Buy Online & 1) Get Delivered, 2) Pick Up In Store.

There are often more WF employees shopping for pick-up orders than customers walking around the store. Navigating aisles that are full of these WF shoppers gives the store a pretty signficantly different feel than the other stores that I'm a regular at. Plus, the staging/storage area at the front for ready-orders is much bigger than at other stores.

Not as true at SF city WFs, or the ones in Reno, LA, Park City and Phoenix/Scottsdale that I'm familiar with.

I'm guessing this dynamic, plus "Just walk out" is where they're headed, at least in certain densities. And that's where some of the cashiers may be transitioned.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by panarky on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:29AM (#22535718)
Amazon Go stores have plenty of employees, I'd bet they're not saving anything on labor.

The benefit is a much better customer experience, not labor savings.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by billmalarky on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:33AM (#22536303)
Well, it's the option.

Retailers that compete on "experience" like Target etc will reinvest into a better customer experience.

Retailers that compete on price like Aldis will focus solely on driving cost down.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:31AM (#22536290)
> The benefit is a much better customer experience, not labor savings.

The primary benefit is access to a lot better data about shoppers, not a better customer experience.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by panarky on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:04AM (#22545912)
I'll choose the store where I can grab what I want and walk out over the store where I have to wait in a dumb ass line while the cashier yells for a price check and the customer in front of me can't remember her PIN so slowly counts out nickels and quarters.

It's a massive competitive advantage far beyond whatever data they get by watching me roam the store.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by hunter2_ on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:36AM (#22533033)
The third-last FAQ entry speaks precisely to your comment:

> Will people still be working in stores with Just Walk Out technology?

> Yes. Retailers will still employ store associates to greet and answer shoppers' questions, stock the shelves, check IDs for the purchasing of certain goods, and more - their roles have simply shifted to focus on more valuable activities.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by thunderrabbit on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @08:30AM (#22534824)
I wonder what percentage of people will still have a job there?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by TremendousJudge on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:02AM (#22535496)
Do we need to have people working soul-sucking, unnecessary jobs so they can bring food to the table?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by noisy_boy on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:02PM (#22537199)
Ideally no, but since Universal Basic Income isn't prevalent, yes.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by airstrike on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:58AM (#22535969)
1/n where n is the current number of cashiers in a given store
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by dragonwriter on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:20PM (#22532471)
> If they released this at Whole Foods, I'd guess they'd fire all the cashiers there

Since Whole Foods sells alcohol, I doubt that. There are things that lots of governments won't let you have customers “just walk out” with.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by jsolson on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:24AM (#22533241)
I did my most recent liquor run at the nearby Amazon Grocery.

They check ID entering the liquor section (and it is a human that checks), but otherwise it is bag it and just walk out.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by pnutjam on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:54PM (#22537127)
Wonder what happens if there is a dispute between what you take and what they think you took?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by mandelbrotwurst on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:05AM (#22532883)
They could keep just a few per store to handle that.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by rolltiide on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:03AM (#22532879)
Sounds like a job for Bezos Expeditions: municipal lobbying.

As I wrote that I realized they could even employ cashiers to do that instead.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by airstrike on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:58AM (#22535977)
> I hope Amazon comes up with an awesome way to help the cashiers this technology replaces.

I'm not sure why this should be on Amazon. It's on all of us to better train people to have the jobs of the future. Our education system hasn't really changed in 100+ years. It needs to.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by zepto on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @12:20AM (#22542952)
Is it on all of us? Why should Amazon reap the benefit of this innovation while the rest of us pay for the consquences?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by airstrike on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @09:58AM (#22545867)
Amazon doesn't rip the benefits alone, all of us do. Just like Apple doesn't benefit alone from having invented touch-screen smartphones.

And if these companies profit, they do so as a reward for spending the capital (dollars and manhours) in creating new technologies that improve productivity. Specifically total factor productivity in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobb%E2%80%93Douglas_product...

It's on all of us because it really isn't on anyone in particular, surely not on Amazon.

I can take your statement and flip it around just as easily: why should Amazon bear the costs of paying for many R&D ideas that may or may not pay off? We should all share that cost if we're all going to benefit from those innovations

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by zepto on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:15AM (#22546002)
Are you seriously trying to suggest that everyone benefits from these innovations?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by airstrike on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:26PM (#22547767)
100%. Would you, personally, rather still be plowing with livestock?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by zepto on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:48PM (#22551146)
Irrelevant, but it’s telling that you have to go back so far to pick something that seems to be universally beneficial.

Are you seriously trying to suggest everyone benefits from Amazon’s innovations?

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by behringer on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @08:55AM (#22534983)
The thing we need to come up with is a basic income allowing robots to take over our work. Not because it's the right thing to do or a kind thing to do, but because the alternative is civil unrest on a scale few of us are familiar with.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by raldi on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:16AM (#22532683)
What percentage of cashiers are employed at stores big enough to install this tech?

I would think the majority would be employed at little restaurants, small shops, etc.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by milesskorpen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:33AM (#22533021)
I think some parts of Whole Foods are hard to solve (produce, in particular). I’m sure they’ll get there though.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by vl on Monday March 09, 2020 @08:14PM (#22531393)
Or Borders...
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by hammock on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:23PM (#22529969)
>In hindsight it seems obvious that the play was to "AWS" the whole thing: make yourself the first/best customer, nail the implementation, then sell it to the world.

It's not just about "AWS"-ing the thing. It's about gaining access to all of the transaction data and marrying that to what Amazon already knows about you. A retailer like Walmart would NEVER use this tech, they know their data is one of the most valuable things they have (in fact they don't share their data with anyone, while all the other FDM retailers do), but boutique retailers like J Crew or whoever would happily.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by WalterBright on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:48PM (#22530204)
> and marrying that to what Amazon already knows about you.

Amazon is always putting up ads for me based on my purchase history, but they're never what I wind up buying. I have no explanation for what is wrong with their algorithm.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by larzang on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:04PM (#22530371)
But you just bought a toilet seat, surely you want five more toilet seats, you toilet seat enthusiast you.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by wlesieutre on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:11PM (#22530435)
Frequently purchased together: toilet seat, and the exact same toilet seat from a duplicate listing at $20 higher price
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by spiorf on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:58PM (#22531301)
I bought a new phone in a store, then bought a cover and a screen protecton on amazon. It sent me a notification: "We think you might be interested in a new phone".

It's pretty obvious that people don't go around shopping for screen protectors and then buy phones to match.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by o-__-o on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:52PM (#22532585)
Just realized all the info I’m giving Amazon by using the app. Time to change up habits for 2020
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by TremendousJudge on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:04AM (#22535508)
I do all my product searching in incognito mode
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by Godel_unicode on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:13PM (#22530452)
I've always assumed that was an artifact of free returns; if you bought one thing, maybe you're actually still shopping and want to know other options. I've noticed when I get these they're frequently more expensive than the one I already bought.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by derefr on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:13PM (#22531773)
I've always assumed it was repairmen. Some people really do need to buy toilet seats again, and again, and again, each time they do a job that requires replacing one (without ever needing a bulk order of 100.) They also might switch brands depending on whichever one is cheapest at the time; or order several different ones for different concurrent jobs to see which turns out best (like Backblaze does with hard drives.)
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by eyegor on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:07PM (#22532408)
I have this experience every time I buy something. Monitor? Needs more monitors. Yoga mats? Clearly opening a studio. Trash bags? This man hasn't learned about dumpsters. Of course this pays off eventually, but it seems like they could come up with a better strategy when they have a bunch of purchase history.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by chuniverse on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:12AM (#22532666)
Nope. The fact is after you purchase something you are still in market for that product. So keeping you in a marketing segment will always be more profitable to the advertising team. Yes, you might be finished shopping now that you have finally decided on the best toilet seat, but the marketing segment that you fall into will always convert higher than a control group. There is just way too much data to confirm this.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by TremendousJudge on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:07AM (#22535536)
It may make sense statistically, but for an individual customer it's just a strange experience. Look around this thread for all the comments pointing out the same thing, and wonder if a shopping app that was truly good would have all that people pointing out such strange behavior
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:35AM (#22536315)
And this is one of the hundreds of things that are very, very wrong with marketing these days.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by TheGoddessInari on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:09PM (#22530933)
They stopped free returns on Prime a long time ago. Now only a few select items offer it.

This was about the same time they stopped shipping things in cardboard boxes and went with bubble packs, and most recently, paper wrap with no padding whatsoever.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by thefreeman on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:15PM (#22532151)
what are you talking about. i buy things from amazon weekly and i have never once received something in paper wrap with no padding and have never paid for a return.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by o-__-o on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:55PM (#22532602)
Ordered an alarm keypad it came in a box with zero padding.. just sliding around. A lot of my wife’s orders have been in blue bubble wrapped packaging

Other things however come just as you would expect (paper wrapping or bubble wrapped). So it all depends on the amazon worker doing his or her job..

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by odensc on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:39PM (#22531946)
Source? Literally everything I've returned on Amazon over the last couple years has had at least one free return option (usually via UPS / Amazon Hub dropoff).
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by WWLink on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:19PM (#22532466)
Clothing comes to mind, that's also the only case I've ever received something in just a white plastic bag.

Basically, you choose why you're returning. In some cases if you say something other than "the item was defective", it'll only have options that cost money.

It's super rare, but I've seen it before.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by zhoujianfu on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:11PM (#22530433)
Ha, for me it was hammocks.. for years!

Just call me The Hammock Man!

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by barbecue_sauce on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:34PM (#22530639)
Matter of fact, they're all in the same complex; it's the hammock complex on third.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by rapind on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:26PM (#22532498)
That's over by Spatula City right?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by barbecue_sauce on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:52PM (#22548224)
No, the Hammock District.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by philbarr on Monday March 09, 2020 @08:51PM (#22531631)
Upvote for a random Simpson's reference.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by philwelch on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:41PM (#22532286)
When I was in college Amazon was perpetually convinced I would want multiple different textbooks for the same subject.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by lazersharkman on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:50PM (#22530766)
The worst was when I searched for gorilla glue once. Good ol' Jeffy B thought I'd also want a $100k watch, a racecar/nascar (themed) Bible, and an anatomical model of some gonads. Pretty sure I still have the screencap somewhere
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by labster on Monday March 09, 2020 @08:46PM (#22531601)
Wait, I don’t understand. Why did you even need the gorilla glue if you weren’t going to to tell time on your Bible-mounted truck nuts?
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by derefr on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:17PM (#22531800)
Sometimes you can learn a domain-specific life-hack from that kind of thing. I'm guessing, for this example, that gorilla glue is the secret weapon of taxidermy—for all your mounting-a-deer-to-the-wall needs.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by Cogito on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:18PM (#22532459)
It's just about the ROI.

Turns out people who have just purchased something are far more likely to purchase that thing again than a random person.

This makes them the perfect person to advertise to.

Even if the percentage is quite low this can be better than advertising to the general population. Say the numbers were 1 in 10 000 impressions leads to a toilet seat sale, but 1 in 1000 people who have just bought a toilet seat buy another one soon after (first one was broken/distributor/toilet seat collector/remodelling whole home/etc).

If those were the numbers it would be silly to not advertise to recent buyers.

Essentially, the self selection of 'I just bought <x>' very often puts you in a category that is far more likely to buy <x> again than almost anyone else.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by hammock on Monday March 09, 2020 @10:15PM (#22532152)
There is a simple answer. Once you have bought a turtle necklace, you are identified as a "turtle necklace buyer" as opposed to any other general consumer. Unintuitive as it may be, you are far more likely to buy another turtle necklace than any of 330 million Americans picked at random. Hope that makes sense.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by ckcheng on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:15PM (#22530470)
Yeah, it's like their algorithm misses that once you've got X, you probably don't want X (at least not for a while).

But I wonder why they don't just flip the prediction? If you bought X, then advertise anything but X.

Like if you bought a toilet seat, they might advertise toilet paper instead (which would be good, because all the stores around here just ran out...)

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by milesskorpen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:35AM (#22533029)
Data is useful for a lot more than ads.

Very helpful for identifying what’s hot and releasing your own version. Figuring out seasonal trends. Or getting competitive price information to match/beet. Walmart brags about their ability to presciently stock stores, which keeps turnover & capital efficiency high.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by milesskorpen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @12:56PM (#22537145)
Following up on this: "Amazon promises not to use customer purchase data for anything other than emailing receipts, but that leaves all of the data entailed in actually making the system work." (via Stratechery). Changes the equation a bit.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by UweSchmidt on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:44PM (#22531201)
Maybe their real algorithm is so scary good that they can only use it for internal use. Didn't they also show pregnancy-related items to women who didn't even know they were pregnant yet?

Or maybe showing a wild selection of weird products results in people "brainstorm" other shopping needs, as a kind of anchoring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring#Anchoring_in_negotia...

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by aniham on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:56PM (#22531279)
I believe you’re referring to a story about Target from a few years back:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targ...

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by WWLink on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:26PM (#22532496)
Yesterday I walked into target with my brother and said something along the lines of "I'd rather go to jury duty than shop at target."

I wonder if their creepy surveillance tech knows I said it. I was going there to pick up my brother's medicine from the pharmacy. It's a real shame. I used to LOVE shopping at Target. But the dang store has gotten greedier and super obnoxious over the years.

I was positive they used to use their tracking data to design store layouts with minimal clashing, such that they distribute the shoppers across the store. It seemed to really work, too.

In their newer layouts, I dunno what it is, but everything seems crammed together all in the same spot. They replaced the popcorn, icees, and hot dogs, with food I don't like that costs too much. They got rid of the handbasket things that were handy and all over the store, and got rid of the benches too. Then they sold their pharmacy to CVS.. which immediately threw out the kickass containers Target used to use and added a super obnoxious phone system.

Just overall, I hate shopping at Target now.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by wackget on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:34PM (#22531918)
No, that's a misconception. They sent letter(s) to at least one person who had been purchasing products commonly purchased by [knowingly] pregnant women. In at least one case, family members "discovered" the pregnancy this way.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by xapata on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:00PM (#22530332)
Turns out that math is hard and people are difficult to predict.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by WalterBright on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:50PM (#22532014)
I suspect Amazon would have better success with me (i.e. better than 0%) if they simply showed me a random ad.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by godelski on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:58PM (#22530834)
And in this way Amazon gets a lot more data and avoids the "monopoly" issue. Better optics too. But this is the only way that Amazon can get tons of data from smaller companies that they can't (don't want to) compete with (niche products or physical spaces).
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by yellow_postit on Monday March 09, 2020 @08:15PM (#22531402)
Like how they rolled out call center in a box on AWS which both on boards more to AWS and helps train speech and linguistics models.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by altec3 on Monday March 09, 2020 @04:39PM (#22529513)
And they didn't just do that with AWS. They did it with ecommerce as well. Become the biggest online retailer, nail the implementation, then get everyone else to jump on your platform.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by morganvachon on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:47AM (#22534597)
They are following it up with shipping and logistics. Amazon has been pushing us hard to switch from FedEx/UPS/USPS to using them for most of our packages, and it's working. Our defect rate is less with Amazon despite all of the anecdotal evidence of lazy/incompetent last mile Amazon personnel, and our rep bends over backwards to make sure she can fix any issues and get us what we need. She's sending us free label printers even though ours are generic enough to work with all carriers including Amazon, just because the labels for them are less expensive.

After shipping with Amazon for our non-Amazon orders for six months, we've moved about 80% of our shipments to them because they save us that much time, hassle, and money. FedEx picks up almost all the rest, with a handful of packages going out UPS and Postal due to address requirements, or customer preference on phone orders (all online orders are Amazon/eBay/website where we limit shipping choices; we are about 60% Amazon, 30% eBay, 8% website, and 2% phone orders on a typical day).

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:40AM (#22536362)
> Amazon has been pushing us hard to switch from FedEx/UPS/USPS to using them for most of our packages

I hope that there's always a USPS option. My apartment complex has package lockers that can only be used by the USPS, so that's the only safe way to get packages delivered when I'm not home.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by heavenlyblue on Monday March 09, 2020 @04:48PM (#22529623)
They are only good because Ebay is pathetically bad.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by turc1656 on Monday March 09, 2020 @04:53PM (#22529687)
They're only good because they were repeatedly given an infinite amount of money for 2 decades by investors while their retail operations lost money so that they could nail the implementation and the promise that they would figure out how to make it profitable.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by adenverd on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:21PM (#22529945)
Amazon effectively leveraged investment capital to do exactly what they said they would do - innovate, learn into the market, and improve iteratively. From investors' perspectives (and probably consumers' perspectives as well), Amazon has succeeded brilliantly.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by thu2111 on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:41PM (#22530126)
You talk as if Amazon was like an Uber or WeWork. That's really far from the truth.

Amazon were slightly profitable or break-even since 2003. There's a convenient chart of their profits since day one here:

https://qz.com/1196256/it-took-amazon-amzn-14-years-to-make-...

Starting in 1997 they bled money with mounting losses until about 1999, when they began to turn things around. The dotcom pop is clearly visible but they recovered almost immediately and their losses continued to shrink until about 2001-2002 when they became break even. From 2002-2011 they either made small profits or nothing, but that was obviously because they were growing at a rapid pace and putting all the money back into the business. Once AWS launches in 2006 (so about 10 years after day 1 in retail) profits start growing but then are back into the red around the time of the GFC+recession, and again in the 2012-2013 European recession. After that it's stratospheric profits.

How much investor money is "infinite money"? Somewhere between $8-$9 million before they floated on the stock market.

https://www.quora.com/Who-were-the-original-investors-in-Ama...

Obviously, investors who put money into their IPO have done extremely well and cannot claim they were shovelling money into a furnace, far from it.

The inflation in investment round sizes over the past 20 years has been staggering. I see nothing that suggests Amazon was unusual in raising so little money (comparatively speaking) before they went public.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by jacobwilliamroy on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:16PM (#22529896)
Did they really nail the implementation? I still refuse to buy anything that would go on or inside my body from amazon because I'm worried about getting counterfeits.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by WalterBright on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:49PM (#22530214)
I.e. Amazon has long term thinking.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by elcritch on Monday March 09, 2020 @07:08PM (#22530930)
Surprise, when executed well it leads to long term value.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by optimuspaul on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:04PM (#22531718)
They only lose money on paper. Pouring all the returns back into the business is a very sound business plan.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by athenot on Monday March 09, 2020 @04:58PM (#22529724)
That was true 5 years ago but with the quality issues on Amazon, I've found myself buying more on eBay.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by paulmd on Monday March 09, 2020 @05:29PM (#22530031)
Yeah, ebay has much better buyer protections unless the item is Fulfilled By Amazon (which carries a cost premium). eBay prices also tend to be better. If you're going to buy cheap chinese crap anyway, just cut out the middleman.

Finally, Amazon's marketplace is just not navigable. Their search is pathetically bad, and this is nothing new, it's been a common complaint for years. Some fairly massive amount of their traffic is inbound from Google searches like "some product amazon" just because of how pathetically bad it is. The only other reasonable way to navigate their site is if their similar product suggestions or "commonly bought together" happens to nail the item you were looking for.

I've had searches where adding an additional keyword that is in the product title will actually cause the product to disappear from the search. What in the actual fuck.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by athenot on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @10:17AM (#22535608)
Yes! Amazon's search has been driving me crazy but it went from bad (loose interpretation of what I typed with a whole bunch of irrelevant stuff) to worse (adding more sponsored results, i.e. even less what I want).

Their recommendation engine for related prducts used to be nice but that's been replaced by sponsored products which lowers the quality.

Now, the only way I use Amazon's search is when I have a SKU or part number and type it in directly. But I also do that in Google and often find the same thing elsewhere at similar or less cost (including shipping, though to be fair it may take a day or 2 longer).

eBay's search is still one of the best for me, in that it respects the keywords I put in and allows for extended query syntax to really hunt something down (which then can be turned into a saved search).

One of the most creative things I found on eBay was tool rental. I needed a tool to replace the bearings on my washing machine, and a seller was selling one explicitely as a rental: tool was charged about $120, with $35 shipping. When done, sent it back for a refund. The "shipping" included the rental fee and shipping both ways.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by paulmd on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @02:06PM (#22537878)
Yeah, I specifically find ebay search to be very powerful and useful as well. It accepts (keywordA, keywordB) as an "or" syntax, -badkeyword as "not" syntax, and filtering for most of their internal functionality (eg auction/buy-it-now format, item location, item price, etc).

The one that they're missing that I really wish they would include is "multi item BIN" formats. People will list a $1 item so that they're the first result that comes up, and then the item you're looking for is high priced. The prices are in fact so high that I go out of my way to try and exclude these items using "not" keywords, setting a minimum price, and filtering to US only, which collectively get most of them.

I have a lot of saved searches for "rare" items that only get listed infrequently, or for items that I'm waiting to come down in price.

The contrast between the way those two sites handle their search is stark.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by popinman322 on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:32PM (#22530621)
I personally find eBay to be much better for items that I can't buy from the manufacturer already. Individual sellers have reputations & reviews separate from product reviews, and those ratings are among the first things you're exposed to when interacting with a seller.
Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by aficiomaquinas on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:50PM (#22530770)
> Yeah, ebay has much better buyer protections unless the item is Fulfilled By Amazon (which carries a cost premium). eBay prices also tend to be better. If you're going to buy cheap chinese crap anyway, just cut out the middleman.

That's what I thought until I was scammed by a Chinese on eBay... after countless emails, calls, even police reports, eBay did not return the 800 dollars I lost... not sure if it's an isolated case but it was pretty frustrating.

Re:“Just walk out” technology by Amazon by JohnFen on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:41AM (#22536374)
Amazon has become my "last resort" place. These days, I check eBay before Amazon.