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Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by ksec on Friday March 06, 2020 @05:27AM (#22502474)
>I really hope this trend dies off, a cash-less society is a terrible idea....

Exactly. We could get rid of coins, and replace it with an electronic variant and leave paper cash alone. I am all for contactless payment, but I want the option to use cash. The only thing that guarantees privacy.

And this is especially true in places without democracy, as shown in the Hong Kong Protest.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by smichel17 on Friday March 06, 2020 @06:53AM (#22502882)
A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but spending time in Germany has changed my view on coins.

See, in the US, coins are kind of useless on their own. You can't pay for anything with only coins, so giving exact change is always an extra step on top of paying with cash. Ugh.

But in the EU, they have €1 and €2 coins, and it's difficult to overstate how much this changes the dynamic. It means that for purchases under ~€10, it's suddenly possible to pay with coins only. It also means that for cash purchases, you can often receive your change as, well, change. So for large purchases, I'll pay with cash only and receive change, which goes in my coin pouch, and for small purchases I'll give exact change in coins only, using them up.

This actually becomes less onerous than paying exclusively with bills, like I do in the US, because you use up your coins naturally instead of collecting them in a jar or something to be counted later.

It also helps that taxes are included in the price label, so a €5.99 purchase will yield €0.01 instead of something in the vicinity of $0.75.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by systemtest on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:37AM (#22503410)
In The Netherlands I also have a coin jar. I pay for everything with my contactless card or smartphone. I have a 20 euro bill in my jacket pocket for when I encounter a shop where I can not pay digitally. So I use that bill, but then end up with a bunch of coins. Coins are heavy and jiggle around in my jacket pocket, so at home I dump them in a jar. And then I get a fresh 20 euro bill from inventory and put it in my jacket pocket.

Every now and then I go to the local marketplace at the city square and exchange my coin jar for a stack of bills. They usually have to pay for the coins so it's a beneficial exchange for us both.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by wil421 on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:47AM (#22503936)
The Euro coins can be lost easier than a paper dollar. I’d hate having to carry a change pouch in the first place.

I have about $600+ in a big coin jar with a bunch of paper dollars thrown in. I’ll buy an iPad or a vacation once it reaches the top.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by pmontra on Friday March 06, 2020 @11:20AM (#22504775)
I'm sure about that but I wonder how many coins I lost since the Euro. Not many. Probably all of them went into malfunctioning vending machines.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by robert_foss on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:01AM (#22503216)
Being a Swede, who now lives in Germany I would say that there must be a middle ground between the extreme cash dependency of Germany and the opposite in Sweden.

I have no idea how you do your shopping and end up not getting a pool of useless 1/5 cent coins. People literally laugh you in the face if you try to purchase things with them. Your only option is to give them away or collect them in a jar.

And needing to constantly go to ATMs just to keep notes on you is kind of ridiculous.

However I've also been to card only restaurants in Sweden when the card network was down. There was no plan B, the payment interaction just fell apart.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by anthony_barker on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:07AM (#22503241)
Japan /Tokyo is super efficient in this. Every metro station allows you to add your pennies to your metro card in an efficient coin counter.

Bakeries in France now have this as well

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by tda on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:17AM (#22503281)
The 1 and 2 cents problem can easily be solved by agreeing to stop using them and round all transactions to the nearest. Think we stopped using 1 and 2 cent coins in the Netherlands more than 15 years ago
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by dijit on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:20AM (#22503298)
The ironic thing here is that Sweden already does that. there is no 1c equivalent coin, the smallest denomination of currency is roughly 10c (1SEK) so things already get rounded.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by lostlogin on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:46PM (#22505611)
We have signs at counters here in New Zealand that informs customers that the store uses ‘Swedish rounding’ for the same reason.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by mrep on Friday March 06, 2020 @10:41AM (#22504402)
Ending up with useless coins is also super prevalent in the states because tax isn't included in list price and everyone prices things as $X.99 so you always end up with useless change. Super annoying and I wish they would change the law to force list prices to be the final price all things included (no hidden fees either).
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by mandelbrotwurst on Friday March 06, 2020 @11:24AM (#22504821)
That law would have the drawback of making tax increases invisible.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by logfromblammo on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:41PM (#22505558)
I'd rather be taxed by higher list prices than by some .0875 surcharge that is inconveniently difficult to calculate in one's head.

If I pick up an item that claims to be $1.99, and plunk it down on the counter with $2, I don't want the cashier to say "That'll be $2.16, please." The label says $1.99 . They could have added the tax when they printed it. If they wanted the label price to be $1.99, they could have made the base price $1.83, and added the tax back in to make it $1.99 on the shelf.

If I go to a concession stand at a ball game, their list prices are all-taxes-included. $2 for a hot dog means if I ask for a hot dog, and pay $2 exactly, no one needs to mess around with change. Why can't other merchants do that?

It's not like consumers can just choose to stop buying things if the sales tax goes up. "What's that? Sales taxes went from 8.75% to 9.15% ? Oh, never mind, then, I'll just stop buying anything from here on out."

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by hansvm on Friday March 06, 2020 @05:20PM (#22507878)
Some US states make that illegal, and others require the receipt to still break out how much of the total charge was tax.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by smichel17 on Monday March 09, 2020 @08:58PM (#22531675)
Only if the law forbids also showing the proportion of the total cost that is tax.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by mandelbrotwurst on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @07:46PM (#22541302)
Fair point, I'd never thought about that. Although, I do suspect that in practice no one would actually do that unless the law mandated that as well.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by pb82 on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:31AM (#22503365)
I collect the coins in the ashtray of my car and then once in a while empty it in a machine at my local bank that counts it and transfers the amount to my bank account.

Also, i don't need ATMs that often. 100€ last me for a while and you can of course also use a card if you don't have enough cash on you.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by bad_user on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:05AM (#22503605)
> And needing to constantly go to ATMs just to keep notes on you is kind of ridiculous.

Not sure how it is in Germany, but we have ATMs on every street corner, so it's not a big deal.

I do prefer paying via Apple Pay though.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by Tainnor on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:49AM (#22503953)
This is a bit difficult in Germany:

First of all, some cities like Berlin (which might be the worst offender here) are ridiculous in terms of how cash-dependent they are. There are whole areas (e.g. Kreuzberg) where you can't find a restaurant that accepts (debit or credit) card payment, even if you eat for 20+€. So, going out for lunch can deplete your cash quite rapidly.

Secondly, private banking is a huge cost centre for banks right now. This means that banks institute a lot of restrictions on when and where you can get cash. Many common banks (e.g. Sparkassen, Volksbanken) only allow you to withdraw money without charge from very specific ATMs, so you have to know where those are; if you withdraw from another ATM, you might have to pay a ridiculous amount of money (e.g. 5€), which is why you'd only use it for an emergency. Some other banks allow you to withdraw from any ATM without charge, but they have been starting to add more and more restrictions, e.g. you can only withdraw money 5x a month or something like that.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by JoeAltmaier on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:07AM (#22503619)
I solved the 'penny problem'. I throw them away or leave them with the shopkeeper.

Keeping cash is a weekly issue with me? Not quite 'all the time'.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by svara on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:33AM (#22503375)
You're right it can be impractical. For me I mostly solved it by 1) giving back the 1, 2 and 5 cent coins I receive as change and 2) withdrawing cash with my grocery purchases, which is possible in many stores.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by sygma on Friday March 06, 2020 @11:44AM (#22505001)
Some German banks (e.g., Commerzbank) have an "Einzahlungsautomat", basically a reverse ATM that accepts deposits as bills or coins. Collect the coins in a jar and once a year hit the ATM.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by jcbrand on Friday March 06, 2020 @10:02AM (#22504062)
I live in Germany and routinely use one and two cent coins when paying exact amounts.

Still have to experience someone laughing in my face for doing so.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by petre on Friday March 06, 2020 @10:39AM (#22504378)
Holding up the queue, eh?

I use € coins for tips or cereal bar purchases. In my country you'd get odd looks if you did that, because we have a bill that's roughly equivalent to 1€. But in Germany or Austria you'll get smiles and herzlichen grüßen because sparing-inclined citizens of the aforementioned countries only tip small change like 10 or 20 cents. Doing it often enough at a Greek tavern gets you freebies.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by kmnns on Saturday March 07, 2020 @04:32AM (#22510786)
> Holding up the queue, eh?

Hardly. Just have your coins ready at the cashier. Often you can do the math yourself and present the money immediately and in the correct amount. On some glorious and surprisingly frequent days, you can empty your coin pouch in one swoop. It’s a nice little game.

Anyway, nobody is obliged to sacrifice their privacy because someone in the queue can’t manage their time properly.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by smichel17 on Monday March 09, 2020 @09:21PM (#22531826)
I didn't keep all my coins in the coin pouch at once. Instead, if I'm going out for just one shopping trip, I'd bring only the minimum number of small coins to make approximately any amount (eg, 1x1¢, 2x2¢, 1x5¢, 4x20¢). As long as you get the last digit right, it doesn't matter if you're some multiple of 10¢ over, and it's easier to get the last digit right when you have fewer coins to sort through to find the one you need.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by karatestomp on Friday March 06, 2020 @10:07AM (#22504118)
I think calls to get rid of the penny in the US don't go far enough. At least get rid of the nickel, too, and go to $.10 and $.50 coins only. Better yet, and avoiding the need to bring the $.50 piece back into common use, get rid of all coins smaller than the quarter.

If there's practically nothing you can buy with two of a coin, it's probably time for it to go.

Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by flamtap on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:40AM (#22503881)
As a Canadian, let me tell you that it gets even better when you eliminate the penny as well!
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by hexl on Friday March 06, 2020 @07:22AM (#22503016)
He didn't literally mean coins, it's cash what He was talking about.
Re:Swedes rebelling against a cashless society (2018) by Hasnep on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:01AM (#22503215)
They made the distinction between coins and paper cash:

> We could get rid of coins, and replace it with an electronic variant and leave paper cash alone.