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Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by lacker on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:33PM (#22467268)
It seems very strange to attack Coke and Pepsi for this. Shouldn't the target be recycling programs that claim to be recycling plastic bottles, but actually don't?
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by sp332 on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:50PM (#22467456)
https://www.earthisland.org/images/uploads/suits/2020-02-26_...

From the Table of Contents:

A. Defendants created the condition of plastic pollution, which is extraordinarily harmful to humans, animals, and the environment. 22

B. As Defendants have known for decades, recycling by itself cannot prevent plastic pollution from damaging oceans, waterways, and coasts 29

C. Defendants refuse to adopt more sustainable alternatives in order reap higher profits resulting from using virgin plastic. 37

D. Defendants’ decades-long campaign of misinformation about their Products’ recyclability puts the cost of plastic pollution on consumers and public entities. 39

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by jcranmer on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:30PM (#22469236)
The actual claims being cited are:

* Violating §1770(a)(5,7,9) of California's Consumer Legal Remedies Act, which is effectively a false advertising law.

* Public nuisance

* Express warranty violation (again, basically "this product doesn't do what you told me it would do")

* Strict liability claims for environment damage (as far as I can make it out)

* Negligence claims for the above as well.

The first and third claims are really, really hard to substantiate because the plaintiffs are arguing on the basis that the claim of "recyclable" should be interpreted as "actually recycled in practice" as opposed to the definition of "recyclable" that appears in regulation... I can't see a judge buying that. I imagine the last two claims will fail due to lack of direct harm--I'm not intimately familiar with California law here, but they're not citing any particular law or precedent to establish why they have standing to sue on the basis of only general public harm. Public nuisance is the only claim I could see standing, but even then, the rather indirect nature is going to make this difficult to sustain.

In short, this appears to me to be more of a "we're suing them to make a statement" kind of case than a "we're suing them because we actually have a legal claim" kind.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by thaumasiotes on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:21PM (#22467793)
Geez, only claim D even makes conceptual sense to try in court.

This suit is an awful idea.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by Supermancho on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:33PM (#22468605)
While you may only be able to win on one count, you get discovery for all of them. The idea is good, if your goal is to legally investigate.
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by thaumasiotes on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:49PM (#22468807)
> While you may only be able to win on one count, you get discovery for all of them.

Even if the court decides that you haven't stated a justiciable claim?

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by redbeard0x0a on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:49PM (#22468168)
You gotta speak in the language that corporations understand. Lawsuits and regulations...
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by thaumasiotes on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:01PM (#22468931)
Filing a nuisance lawsuit is certainly something people understand, but the only result you're going to get is that you get laughed out of court while everyone learns you're an idiot.

There's a difference between (1) trying to speak to someone in a language they understand, and (2) imagining what you think that would be like, doing that without reference to whether it makes any sense, and then congratulating yourself for your penetrating insight. You can't speak to someone in a language that they understand but you don't!

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:36PM (#22467294)
If you knowingly produce single-use items that are neither biodegradable nor recyclable, you share culpability.
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by LanceH on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:55PM (#22467510)
What law or contract?

How were the labels wrong?

There is nothing in this article and I'm sure your view of all single use products must be biodegradable or recyclable isn't law.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by wffurr on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:02PM (#22467595)
Moral culpability. It should be legal culpability as well, but we haven't written the law yet.
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by LanceH on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:24PM (#22467832)
This thread and the article are both about a lawsuit. Saying they should be culpable would imply legal culpability in this context, of which they have none.
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by ectospheno on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:35PM (#22467970)
If you make a product where the packaging kills you then it is illegal. But if you make one where it kills lots of people much later then you are fine?

Your theory makes the EPA rather pointless.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by lm28469 on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:25PM (#22467838)
Something being legal at a given point in time doesn't make it an absolute truth. Look at slavery, torture, age of consent, I'm sure it all sounded very good to the guys in charge back in the days. In a few centuries people will look back at us and wonder why the fuck we were so stupid.

I mean, just think about it for a single second, who profit from these things beside big corporations, certainly not me, you or our future descendants.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by elliekelly on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:26PM (#22467847)
Making false and misleading claims to consumers. The suit alleges Coke & Pepsi (and others) engaged in consumer-targeted campaigns to label their plastic packaging as "recyclable" even though they knew they were producing more plastic packaging than all of the recycling facilities in the US combined could have possibly processed.
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by LanceH on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:02PM (#22468301)
According to https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/260.12 , they would be in the clear as long as 60+% of users have access to recycling facilities/programs for these products.

This is surely the case since nearly every municipality has some program in place. The obvious problem is that these cities aren't actually recycling things while claiming they are -- possibly even requiring people to recycle. It looks to me like cities need to be sued to remove these plastics from the programs. Then 60% wouldn't have access to recycling programs, and then it would be deceptive to label it as recyclable.

Another avenue would be a change by legislation.

For all the outrage, this lawsuit is going nowhere.

And before I'm called a shill: Don't drink Coke. Don't drink Pepsi. Don't drink bottled water.

I'm just a fan of the law being knowable -- oh, and articles having substance.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by elliekelly on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:55PM (#22469470)
They aren't alleging a violation of FTC marketing guidelines, they're alleging a violation of California marketing guidance, which sets a higher (though still, as far as I can tell, optional) standard. Regardless, a company can still be culpable and held liable for wrongdoing even if they've dutifully followed "industry standards".

I agree the lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere. But many people said the same about the lawsuits against big tobacco. And even if the lawsuit is tossed at the very first opportunity the organization has called attention to some of the worst actors when it comes to plastic production. I'd call that a win.

Either way it's the way our system slowly but sure gets the wheels of progress spinning.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by mindslight on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:19PM (#22468463)
No Dumping - the same laws that are broken if you toss a TV on the side of the road. That the stuff passes through intermediaries doesn't matter if you know its inevitable destination.

Hustlers that stand on city corners pushing junk flyers onto passers-by, creating a pile of discards 20 feet down the street, are in the same boat.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by Mediterraneo10 on Monday March 02, 2020 @07:09PM (#22470531)
> Hustlers that stand on city corners pushing junk flyers onto passers-by, creating a pile of discards 20 feet down the street, are in the same boat.

Paper degrades naturally, and most paper in the West is now produced from sustainable sources. So, paper littering is not as deleterious as plastic that doesn’t get properly recycled.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by oska on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:01PM (#22468293)
Not strange at all. These are two highly toxic companies, in the same class as Philip Morris Tobacco. Everything they do is to maximise profit and to push all negative externalities (harmful effects on consumer health, environmental pollution & degradation) onto society. They should be prosecuted and regulated to the hilt until they are no longer generating such massive negative externalities (at which point they would either have reformed themselves or gone out of business).
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by phjesusthatguy3 on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:53PM (#22467478)
1) Coke & Pepsi aren't being attacked; they're the names in the headline of TFA

2) There are five other companies named in TFA (of the ten named in the suit described in TFA)

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by nikanj on Monday March 02, 2020 @05:03PM (#22469527)
This is similar to how Foxconn issues are always headlined "iPhone factory does XXXXXXX", despite iPhones making up just a minuscule faction of Foxconns total output
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by qeqeqeqe on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:16PM (#22467741)
They have money so they are being sued.