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Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by sp332 on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:50PM (#22467456)
https://www.earthisland.org/images/uploads/suits/2020-02-26_...

From the Table of Contents:

A. Defendants created the condition of plastic pollution, which is extraordinarily harmful to humans, animals, and the environment. 22

B. As Defendants have known for decades, recycling by itself cannot prevent plastic pollution from damaging oceans, waterways, and coasts 29

C. Defendants refuse to adopt more sustainable alternatives in order reap higher profits resulting from using virgin plastic. 37

D. Defendants’ decades-long campaign of misinformation about their Products’ recyclability puts the cost of plastic pollution on consumers and public entities. 39

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by jcranmer on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:30PM (#22469236)
The actual claims being cited are:

* Violating §1770(a)(5,7,9) of California's Consumer Legal Remedies Act, which is effectively a false advertising law.

* Public nuisance

* Express warranty violation (again, basically "this product doesn't do what you told me it would do")

* Strict liability claims for environment damage (as far as I can make it out)

* Negligence claims for the above as well.

The first and third claims are really, really hard to substantiate because the plaintiffs are arguing on the basis that the claim of "recyclable" should be interpreted as "actually recycled in practice" as opposed to the definition of "recyclable" that appears in regulation... I can't see a judge buying that. I imagine the last two claims will fail due to lack of direct harm--I'm not intimately familiar with California law here, but they're not citing any particular law or precedent to establish why they have standing to sue on the basis of only general public harm. Public nuisance is the only claim I could see standing, but even then, the rather indirect nature is going to make this difficult to sustain.

In short, this appears to me to be more of a "we're suing them to make a statement" kind of case than a "we're suing them because we actually have a legal claim" kind.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by thaumasiotes on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:21PM (#22467793)
Geez, only claim D even makes conceptual sense to try in court.

This suit is an awful idea.

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by Supermancho on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:33PM (#22468605)
While you may only be able to win on one count, you get discovery for all of them. The idea is good, if your goal is to legally investigate.
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by thaumasiotes on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:49PM (#22468807)
> While you may only be able to win on one count, you get discovery for all of them.

Even if the court decides that you haven't stated a justiciable claim?

Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by redbeard0x0a on Monday March 02, 2020 @02:49PM (#22468168)
You gotta speak in the language that corporations understand. Lawsuits and regulations...
Re:Coke and Pepsi are getting sued for lying about recycling by thaumasiotes on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:01PM (#22468931)
Filing a nuisance lawsuit is certainly something people understand, but the only result you're going to get is that you get laughed out of court while everyone learns you're an idiot.

There's a difference between (1) trying to speak to someone in a language they understand, and (2) imagining what you think that would be like, doing that without reference to whether it makes any sense, and then congratulating yourself for your penetrating insight. You can't speak to someone in a language that they understand but you don't!