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Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by haunter on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @07:03PM (#22304352)
>But there is some evidence — and we’re working on quantifying it — that coronaviruses do transmit less efficiently in the warmer weather. So it’s possible that we will get some help from that, but I don’t think that will solve the problem, as evidenced by the fact that there’s transmission in Singapore, on the equator.

There have been several research about seasonal influenza and how it correlates with weather, like temperature but especially humidity

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01634...

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/173/2/127/99316

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by Fomite on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @07:30PM (#22304525)
A couple notes on this:

- Right now, there's some ongoing research about R0 relative to humidity, and it's not promising. This includes Singapore, but it should also be noted that Singapore has an amazing public health system that will confound using it as an example in both directions.

- Having written a review on the seasonality of influenza, the fact of the matter is we have very little notion of why it's seasonal, and a lot of "just so" stories.

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by Anon84 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @08:50PM (#22305001)
Can you point me to your review?

A few years ago (circa 2010 or so) when I was seriously working on epidemic modeling, we tried to look for an effective seasonality model, based on temperature, humidity, etc that worked globally and failed miserably. What seemed to work in one country or area failed completely in others, and vice versa. I'm curious to see if things have improved since then

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by Fomite on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:05PM (#22305091)
It's an older paper (circa 2006) but...to be honest, I revisit it occasionally, and the problems we point out are still there. https://jvi.asm.org/content/81/11/5429
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by Anon84 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:47PM (#22305272)
Ahahahahah... HN really is a small world. I remember this paper. The section on “indoor heating and AC” stuck to my memory to this day. Back then we were hoping for a seasonality-based follow up to this paper: https://www.pnas.org/content/106/51/21484 but it was not meant to be.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by Fomite on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:57PM (#22305921)
Seasonality is a...vexing problem. It seems to straight forward, and then...
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by gniv on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @08:28PM (#22304870)
> Having written a review on the seasonality of influenza

Is one of the theories lack of Vitamin D?

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by mrfusion on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:32PM (#22305202)
Yet miami has the same flu season as Minnesota. AFAIK.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by Fomite on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @08:43PM (#22304959)
Yep.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by joeyspn on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @07:07PM (#22304370)
Singapore is having 30ºC days, yet the epidemic is progressing and the city is already bracing for the worse...
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by kulahan on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @07:15PM (#22304434)
"warm weather may have an effect on transmission" and "a warm city is dealing with infections" are not mutually exclusive statements.

And for the record, as of a little over a week ago, there were only a dozen cases in Singapore according to the WHO. Even if they were mutually exclusive, Singapore isn't exactly the best example.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati...

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by nosborn on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @07:28PM (#22304517)
As of yesterday it’s 47 cases in Singapore.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/2019-ncov-wuhan

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by hunvreus on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:34PM (#22305821)
22 of these were traveling straight from Wuhan.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by droithomme on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:44PM (#22305257)
Hm, increasing 47/12 in 7 days is the same as doubling every 3.55 days.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by hatenberg on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:16PM (#22305714)
Some involve evacuated individuals from Wuhan so its actually a slower growth rate
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by catalogia on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @07:17PM (#22304445)
Singapore also has a lot of air conditioning. Perhaps the transmission is occurring primarily indoors, away from the 30ºC heat.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by nutjob2 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:06PM (#22305096)
Exactly. The comparison with Indonesia is interesting, which has a similar climate, but isn't as rich or developed as Singapore.

Air conditioning is actually very conducive to colds and the like. When you go from outside to inside you're usually sweaty and the air conditioning tends to make you too cold until you dry out. I've caught way more sniffles in the tropics than in the freezing climates.

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by tim333 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:53AM (#22309227)
Anecdotally, I flew from Bali to Singapore today and there seemed to be a lot more sniffles and coughing in Singapore. In Bali the architecture is very open with lots of fresh air, scooters being popular for transport whereas in Singapore they tend more to sitting together in air conditioned boxes of various types (buildings, busses etc).
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by rgoulter on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:03PM (#22305342)
The primary means of getting around in Singapore is public transportation (bus, train).
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by inferiorhuman on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:13PM (#22305397)
Public transit in SG is heavily air conditioned.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by et-al on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:08PM (#22305105)
Air-conditioning also removes humidity from the air.

On a tangent, I'd love to see a graph of illnesses during summer before / after the widespread adoption of AC.

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by mrfusion on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:33PM (#22305206)
Someone could do a study of schools with broken ACs. That might be an easy way to study it.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by robjan on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:22PM (#22305442)
I don't think a school would operate with broken AC
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by inferiorhuman on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:48PM (#22305547)
At least in the US plenty of schools in hot climates do not have A/C.

https://www.the74million.org/article/exclusive-too-hot-to-le...

Even those that do have A/C don't cancel class when it breaks.

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/education/2019/09/11...

The real takeaway from the 74 Million piece is that information about HVAC in American schools is difficult to come by. It would certainly be interesting to look at COVID-19 in schools vis-a-vis A/C, but good luck prying information from the school districts about either infections or air conditioning. Perhaps it would be easier in a tropical country like SG where A/C is more of a necessity than a luxury.

Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by ValentineC on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:16AM (#22308522)
Most public schools in Singapore don't have A/C in most of their classrooms.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by sitkack on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @08:26PM (#22304844)
And circulated through the building via blowers.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by aivosha on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:01PM (#22305070)
maybe it could have been much worse if it was colder.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by alexanderhorl on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @02:33AM (#22306710)
Also the coronavirus doesn’t really seem present in countries in the Southern Hemisphere except for some imported cases in Australia. There’s nothing being heard of South America or Africa which could be because of their hot climate.
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by RandomBacon on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:02PM (#22314708)
Do many people from those areas travel to China compared to places where the coronavirus?
Re:Coronavirus outbreak likely now ‘gathering steam’ by edoo on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:27PM (#22305183)
Hopefully the novel part isn't that it acts like the Spanish flu and thrives just as well in the spring and summer and lasts years.