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Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by Roritharr on Thursday January 30, 2020 @04:26PM (#22195839)
I recommend everyone to watch this on-site commentary from the chinese human rights lawyer Chen Qiushi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AI3R41dGnU

Any numbers we've seen so far seem very tame to me, compared to the pictures out of Wuhan.

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by colinprince on Thursday January 30, 2020 @07:34PM (#22197678)
I watched the whole thing. It was riveting. Don't forget to turn on CC if you need translation. It is a volunteer transalation.

The reporter, Chen Qiushi, describes his observations in Wuhan, a city of more than 10 million.

His preamble:

"My name has been flagged in China."

"If the content contains 'Chenqiushi' or 'CQS', or my face, it will not be sent on Wechat. ... if you [share on wechat], your wechat account will be deleted, like mine.""

He describes visits he made to hospitals in Wuhan and the general state in the city.

It is well worth listening to / reading.

Some points that stuck with me:

People cannot get to hospital because there is a critical lack of transportation.

There is a critical lack of test kits, so residents do not believe they will be diagnosed, so they stay home.

The original (not translated) is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXozpbomAns

(thanks Roritharr)

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by Roritharr on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:27PM (#22198439)
I really wonder if I made myself unemployable in China because I posted this.

How far does the censoring actually go?

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by iliketosleep on Thursday January 30, 2020 @10:15PM (#22198691)
It goes far enough that your concern is valid. Since HN is not exactly mainstream and many Chinese people are posting similar kinds of videos, you're probably okay in this case. However, if you want to make honest comments about China online and still want to travel there, I highly recommend that you post anonymously.
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by joejerryronnie on Friday January 31, 2020 @01:07AM (#22199496)
I’ve removed a couple HN posts that were super critical of China for fear of some type of online repercussions. You never know.
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by mantap on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:44PM (#22198517)
China is an autocratic dictatorship so the rules can and do change at any time, retroactively and arbitrarily.

That said you aren't going to be blacklisted for a single comment on HN. That sounds like the kind of thing the US would do.

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by jdkee on Thursday January 30, 2020 @11:17PM (#22198992)
No, that sounds like the thing China would do once it has perfected pattern recognition in 2023 or so.
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by netsharc on Thursday January 30, 2020 @07:22PM (#22197588)
TL;DW/DR the subtitles: he saw a lot of chaos in Wuhan's hospitals. Not enough testing kits, not enough government-requisitioned emergency taxis. Taxi drivers were already talking to each other in December saying "avoid the market".

If you don't want to read subtitles for 26 minutes here's all the subtitles copy-pasted from the video: https://pastebin.com/6hJ4h4rm

(You can hit the "..." above the red subscribe button and select "open transcript", but it shows up in a tiny window).

I suppose the WHO saying they're very impressed with how China is handling the situation is because they felt the pressure to save China's face.

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by pmoriarty on Thursday January 30, 2020 @10:11PM (#22198666)
Thank you so much for this transcript.

Reading through it made it clear that:

1 - Wuhan's health care system is overwhelmed

2 - There's not enough transportation, test kits, masks, and hospital beds, or volunteers

3 - Many sick people are not even bothering to go to the hospital

4 - There's poor communication and rumors flying around

5 - People are frightened, panicking, and suspecting the worst

This tells me that:

A - there are likely way more people infected than there are confirmed cases, but possibly more deaths too of those who never made it in to hospitals

B - Many wouldn't have died had they had more adequate health care, better transportation and more test kits

So, for the rest of us who are sitting on our hands now, glued to social media or the television waiting to see how this will unfold, our time would be much more productively spent planning for when the outbreak hits our local area.

Volunteer. Get connected with volunteer organizations. Donate. See what you can do to ensure there's adequate transportation, communication and resources when the outbreak hits your area.

One thing I'm really curious about that I haven't heard covered yet is if people who get sick and recover become immune. If so, they should feel safe in volunteering to come in contact with the sick and help them directly after they've recovered themselves.

Cooperation, preparation, organization, and mutual aid are crucial.

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by mantap on Thursday January 30, 2020 @09:31PM (#22198453)
The way the central government is handling this is impressive, quarantining a city of that size is unprecedented and has bought the world extra time to prepare.

Yes the WHO are playing politics when they focus on the good things China is doing and ignore the bad. But personally I think they are closer to the truth than those who present an entirely negative version of events. China's response has been 70% good :)

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by heavyset_go on Friday January 31, 2020 @12:03AM (#22199221)
> The way the central government is handling this is impressive

Not really, they jailed the experts who told them that they needed to act quickly, sat on it for a month, and finally did something about it when it was already out of hand.

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by brigandish on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:06AM (#22200720)
> they jailed the experts who told them that they needed to act quickly

If you don't mind me asking, where did you see that info?

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by heavyset_go on Sunday February 02, 2020 @03:43AM (#22215921)
I don't have the exact articles on hand right now, but here is a newer article on the suppression: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/01/world/asia/china-coronavi...
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by sliken on Thursday January 30, 2020 @10:16PM (#22198695)
It would be more impressive if it wasn't a month after the problem started and after 5M people left.
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by netsharc on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:21AM (#22201045)
Huh, I would say you're in the wrong thread to claim it's "impressive", if this guy's video is to be believed, it's a whole lot of chaos and lack of supplies...
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by mantap on Friday January 31, 2020 @10:05PM (#22208353)
We have gone from the first confirmed human-to-human transmission to tens of thousands of cases in something like two weeks. No amount of preparation will prevent chaos and shortages in a situation like this.

I watched the CDC press conference today and saw nothing but fear written on their faces. And that is with far more advanced notice than the Chinese had.

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by pier25 on Thursday January 30, 2020 @11:56PM (#22199190)
Totally off topic but... Chinese seems like a very efficient language. The guy doesn't seem to be speaking so fast but the subtitles are conveying a lot of information really fast.
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by abj on Friday January 31, 2020 @03:08AM (#22199957)
Here's [1] a paper on information density vs speed of speech, done by the University of Lyon. I am not sure how accurate their methods are, but they seem to believe that some languages convey more information per syllable and for 5 out of 7 languages, that ones with lower information density are spoken faster. Note that the sample size was only 59 and only compared how fast 20 different texts were read out, all silences that lasted longer than 150 ms were edited out as well.

[1] http://www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/fulltext/pellegrino/Pellegri...

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by pier25 on Friday January 31, 2020 @10:15AM (#22202281)
Interesting. In that paper Mandarin has the lowest syllable rate and the highest information density.

https://imgur.com/4zwH1Ml

Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by kordlessagain on Friday January 31, 2020 @12:21AM (#22199301)
It's a tonal language, which enables multiple use of a single letter/tone. Evidently English speakers have trouble detecting proper tone..
Re:WHO declares coronavirus outbreak a public health emergency by dredmorbius on Friday January 31, 2020 @01:51AM (#22199666)
Subtitles, slightly edited for reading:

https://pastebin.com/raw/VrLPVC2H