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Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by fragmede on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:36PM (#22186724)
There are scant details about what the launched product will look like in practice, but keep in mind that urban and suburban areas are spoiled by high-speed 4G LTE and wired gigabit. The vast majority of the US, by land area, has to chose from dial-up and very expensive pre-Starlink satelite Internet service. Even 1 Mbit is a huge improvement over 56 kbps.

I'm haven't looked into the economics of running fiber everywhere, as compared to launching an extensive constellation of satellites but I will note that SpaceX has the competitive advantage of having at-cost access to reusable rockets, compared to an outside party paying SpaceX market rates for transit to space.

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by swiley on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @05:47PM (#22186834)
The pre-starlink stuff isn’t just expensive. It’s slow, has crazy high latency, and low transfer caps (the biggest you can get for geosynchronous might be 20GB a month no matter how much you want to pay.)

Really anything is better than what’s currently available in the rural US. Having grown up there I’m kind of mad that we give so much spectrum to cell companies who block people from setting up terrestrial radio networks in places like this.

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by alasdair_ on Thursday January 30, 2020 @05:28AM (#22190352)
> the biggest you can get for geosynchronous might be 20GB a month no matter how much you want to pay.

Couldn’t you pay for more than one account and combine them?

Or are you saying the cap for an entire satellite is 20GB per month?

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by shaklee3 on Thursday January 30, 2020 @12:54AM (#22189182)
That's completely false. Several providers have over 100GB/mo plans.
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by baq on Thursday January 30, 2020 @01:10AM (#22189247)
Latency is completely true. Can’t be otherwise because speed of light is a thing.
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by shaklee3 on Thursday January 30, 2020 @01:15AM (#22189271)
The latency part is true, but the cap is not:

https://www.satelliteinternet.com/resources/unlimited-satell...

We can argue about whether latency matters for most people, but it's not going to go anywhere.

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by DangitBobby on Thursday January 30, 2020 @02:36AM (#22189630)
Whew $150/mo for 100 GB of data
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by alasdair_ on Thursday January 30, 2020 @05:29AM (#22190358)
That actually doesn’t seem that bad, especially for the middle of nowhere.
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by swiley on Thursday January 30, 2020 @08:53AM (#22191262)
Ok, that’s new. Back when I had it you couldn’t buy anything over 20GB.
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by mobilefriendly on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @06:48PM (#22187340)
I live in the greater Washington DC metro area (Census-defined) and don't have internet access at my farm. No cable and no DSL available. I connect through a wireless 4G hotspot. This is really inadequate, my kids can't get online and we can't do any connected household stuff like Alexa or Ring. Our entire community is praying for Starlink!!!
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by richk449 on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @11:04PM (#22188749)
> my kids can't get online and we can't do any connected household stuff like Alexa or Ring

Any houses for sale nearby?

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by bilbo0s on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @11:15PM (#22188792)
>my kids can't get online

Sometimes I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing?

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by icelancer on Thursday January 30, 2020 @12:59AM (#22189198)
It very obviously is. Homework assignments, keeping up with their friend groups, etc.
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by mantap on Thursday January 30, 2020 @03:33AM (#22189839)
I don't agree. I grew up (partially) before DSL, as did everybody before Gen Z, and I'm very thankful for it. I don't think always on internet is necessary for a fulfilling childhood. There's so much more to the world than the internet.
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by bzbarsky on Thursday January 30, 2020 @04:44AM (#22190147)
It's not if society is generally structured around that, sure.

But if the only way to find out what your homework is is a website, and that homework is posted as a multimegabyte PDF (this is how it's working for my kids, not a hypothetical), then lack of an available internet connection immediately affects your ability to effectively attend school, for example.

Now we can have a discussion about whether school is necessary for a fulfilling childhood, of course. :)

Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by bilbo0s on Thursday January 30, 2020 @11:17PM (#22198991)
Or more fundamentally, a discussion on whether pdf's on websites are necessary for school work?
Re:Starlink Is a Big Deal by bzbarsky on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:55PM (#22239505)
Clearly not, if people are willing to hand out the same thing on paper. But they're not, for various reasons..