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Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by oauea on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:57AM (#22168208)
Can someone explain why you would want to run an operating system that actively tries to prevent you from running it?

Apple clearly doesn't want to support third party hardware and from what I've heard, you have to live in constant fear of updates.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by Zarel on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:20AM (#22169057)
I ran a hackintosh setup for most of my university days.

I loved OS X on my MacBook but I wanted more power and a larger screen, and I couldn't afford a Mac Pro.

Compared to both Windows and Linux, I preferred OS X's behavior in:

- the systemwide emacs keybindings in every textbox

- the consistent keyboard shortcuts (Cmd+C was always Copy, Ctrl+C was always Interrupt)

- the dedicated keyboard key (Option) for typing non-ASCII characters

- the general higher quality of apps that were available (Transmit was a better FTP client, TotalTerminal a better terminal, Preview a better PDF viewer, iBooks a better ebook reader, MplayerX a better video player, iTunes a better music player, Adium a better chat app, Transmission a better torrent app, Parallels a better VM, than anything for Windows or Linux)

- the consistent look-and-feel of apps

- the centralized notification system, Growl (before any OS had built-in notification support, the third-party Growl library was the de-facto standard on Mac, at a time when in other OSes, every app used their own notifications that constantly got in each other's way)

- QuickLook

Compared to Windows, I liked:

- the presence of a bash terminal underlying everything

- multiple desktops (Windows has this now, but didn't back then)

- Exposé (the thing that showed all open windows so you could click the one you wanted to easily switch to it)

Compared to Linux, I liked:

- Homebrew, a package manager which actually installed up-to-date packages instead of years-old packages (this was before Linuxbrew)

- official support for various paid apps like Photoshop and MS Word

- the ability to do many important things in a GUI (and therefore, the ability to do new things without needing to Google them)

Aside from the complications updates posed, I ran into no major problems with the hackintosh setup, other than I think the microphone didn't work? Everything else worked fine. I had overall much fewer problems than I have with Linux.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by JoelTheSuperior on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:17AM (#22169545)
What made you stop using one?
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by Zarel on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:03PM (#22175622)
This is one of my favorite stories.

When I updated to OS X 10.7 Lion on my Hackintosh, I got a weird issue where the hard drive would wipe itself every few days – like, I would turn on the computer, and it would tell me the hard drive was blank and had no operating system on it, and I had to reinstall everything all over again.

(To be clear, this was the first issue of any kind my Hackintosh had ever gotten.)

At that point, my business had gotten successful, so I could afford to buy a 2013 Mac Pro and stop worrying about what went wrong.

So I bought the Mac Pro... and its SSD still wiped itself after a few days. Turns out, the problem was in Lion's exFAT driver. I'd partitioned it into HFS+ for Mac, NTFS for Windows, and a shared exFAT partition, like on my Hackintosh, and Lion just couldn't handle that.

I gave up on having an exFAT partition after that, but kept the Mac Pro because it was so nice (it was also much quieter and smaller, which let me put it in my backpack for hackathons).

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by oauea on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:45AM (#22171077)
Did you apply security updates when they came out? If not, how did you justify connecting such an outdated machine to the internet?
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by nordsieck on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:09AM (#22168279)
> Can someone explain why you would want to run an operating system that actively tries to prevent you from running it?

If you're a developer, OS X is great.

Windows is a second class citizen if you aren't using Visual Studio.

Linux is great - it's basically your deployment environment - but you often have to mess around with it a bit.

OS X is 90-95% of the benefit of Linux, but it just works™. If you want to get work done, that's a pretty good feature.

The trouble is that, if you want to run a desktop, there are basically no good options. Mac Mini is very limited, same with the iMac. The Mac Pro is not limited, but it supports such enormous expansion that the base config is extremely expensive, while not being very performant.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by pizza234 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:31AM (#22168397)
> Linux is great - it's basically your deployment environment - but you often have to mess around with it a bit.

This doesn't make sense. One definitely, in general terms, has to mess around more with Hackintosh than with a Linux installation, as the hardware compatibility is much higher with the latter than the former.

I did use a Hackintosh, for some time. I still need Mac occasionally, but nowadays I just run it in a VM.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by martalist on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:12AM (#22168624)
Building a _new_ hackintosh is easy, and requires very little messing around if you follow sensible guidelines. It generally gets messy after a few years and several OS updates. There are generally less users on forums with the same hardward specs, asking less questions. Apple drop support for things, and recommended methods to install/update change enough to become painful.

I just upgraded my hackintosh from El Capitan to Catalina. It wasn't all fun, but wasn't too bad either. I'll probably get another couple of years trouble free with this OS, so it was worth it. After that I'll switch to Linux or Windows for my main system, though.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by arexxbifs on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:51AM (#22168866)
Building a new Linux box is easy, too. If you can pick and choose amongst compatible hardware, there's no messing around at all to get a performant and updateable system.

I can see how someone in a particular field, such as video editing, might prefer certain macOS apps. For general software development, though, a Linux machine feels like a much safer bet.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by konart on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:34AM (#22169677)
>has to mess around more with Hackintosh than with a Linux installation

As someone who lived with an Ubuntu installation for 5 years up until 10.10 and then with Arch for arount 4 years - you statement about linux being an easy thing to handle is correct as long as you are fine with a distro like ubuntu and don't want to change much.

As soon as you embrace something more hacky or at least more bleeding edge - you are in the world full of unexpected surprises. Any major update can cause you hours of problems because distro devs decided to switch from somethingX to somethingY and you had to prepare your installation before updating but alas, you rarely read the fron page of https://www.archlinux.org and now you have to rollback and do everything right.

Not a too common scenario but not an uncommon one too.

Not to metion that for the most part linux remains a second-class citizen to software devs, so you won't see much of a general purpose software of the same quality macOS has to offer. Which is a problem if you are going to use the machine for something other then software development.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by shmoogy on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:45AM (#22169257)
Windows with WSL is pretty nice. I still prefer MacOS but mostly for convenience with interfacing with my other personal devices.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by kitsunesoba on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @02:03PM (#22172884)
My experience with Linux is that if your hardware setup deviates even slightly from the majority you’re going to have trouble getting things working right. This is especially true when it comes to GPUs (dual screens on dual GPUs for instance causes trouble with both Nvidia and AMD). There’s also distro specific weirdness like how the Ubuntu will screw with your boot partitions on every disk in your machine (fixable but annoying).

With a hackintosh, as long as you’re using supported chipsets, cards, etc the larger overall configuration of your machine doesn’t really matter much — it’ll just work. Point in case, macOS handles the aforementioned dual monitor dual GPU setup without so much as a hiccup both on AMD (and if you drop back to High Sierra) Nvidia. It’s paradoxical, but hackintoshed macOS is often better at smoothing over differences between machines than Linux is.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by adgasf on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:25AM (#22168367)
A Hackintosh does not just work. It requires far more upkeep than a Linux system.

I certainly wouldn't do it again!

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by cutler on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:21AM (#22168678)
As long as you choose your hardware wisely all you need is UniBeast and post-install MulitBeast. All I've ever had to do in over 10 years of Hackintosh use is re-install my MultiBeast config after an OS update.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by mantap on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:27AM (#22168715)
You have to think of a hackintosh like an android phone. You might get OS updates or not but mostly whatever OS version it starts with will stay on it for life. You will certainly not be able to update immediately. For some people that's fine, for others who are dependant on Xcode which needs constant OS updates, it's not fine. Really depends on your use case.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by legooolas on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:11AM (#22168996)
> ...like an android phone. You might get OS updates or not but mostly whatever OS version it starts with will stay on it for life.

Not all Android phones are like that -- what are you buying which doesn't get any OS updates?

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by mantap on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @12:58PM (#22172050)
Obviously android phones get OS updates. Hackintoshes also get OS updates. But in either case there's never a guarantee unless you buy a current gen flagship. If you buy an iPhone you will consistently get updates for up to 5 years. Android is more of a "best effort" kind of deal. Maybe they will update your phone this year. Maybe not. Who knows?
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by morid1n on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:58AM (#22168907)
Not true. I’ve had my 2014 hackintosh updated regularly without issues.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by ddek on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:34AM (#22168765)
Agree 1000%.

For native macs that’s probably the case, but I spent so much time just getting basic features of my hackintosh to work. If I wanted to change audio source from headphones to HDMI I needed to add/remove kexts and restart!

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by morid1n on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:59AM (#22168915)
That just means your config wasn’t properly made to support your hardware. Mine was rock solid for 6 years.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by rdslw on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @04:28PM (#22174241)
Can you elabarote more on 'config' ? Especially if someone plans to follow your build and this will be first hackintosh. Any more links to hackintosh resources/community? (technical ones :)

Also: could you write which models of components you bought:

a. 580 gfx card ? /nitro? pulse? others :)/

b. in terms of 5700 youre planning to buy do you have exact model?

c. which exact memory (size of one) and 3600 was base or overclocked

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by time0ut on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:49AM (#22168855)
I've been using Windows 10 Pro for about a year now. I've got it running VSCode and docker with Ubuntu on WSL2 running VSCode server and the docker client. There are some minor annoyances with file permissions, but overall it is a great environment. I just couldn't justify paying 3x for half the hardware again.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by FpUser on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:04AM (#22168581)
I am a developer and have no problems developing Linux software on Windows desktop (namely C++ rest servers). It just works™ for me
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by nmfisher on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:38AM (#22168442)
With JetBrains/VS Code and WSL, modern Windows is actually a pleasure to develop on (IMHO, of course).

The only reason I bust out OSX is for iOS development.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by basejumping on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:15AM (#22170099)
Yes, but then you get Candy Crush install by itself, and every day new KB updates, system updates that you cannot prevent like it's not your own system to chose, optimisation processes which start consuming CPU without you asking for it, clunky UI. I prefer to use a Mac just for the peace of mind.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by oauea on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:42AM (#22171033)
Because it's better to run an unpatched OS (considering installing updates on a hackintosh tends to break it) than to run an OS with some pre-installed software that you won't even notice?
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by basejumping on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:52AM (#22171159)
I meant that I run on a Macbook. I was comparing Windows with MacOS. Btw, software that I won't even notice? I paid 2.5k on a laptop that I keep docked most of the time, so I guess I do notice it, along with all the other things I've mentioned.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by ddek on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:50AM (#22168860)
It’s definitely better than it’s reputation, and I find it manageable at work.

Also while powershell is great, I find it just too wordy. Many commands that are 4 characters in unix systems are multiple words, with hyphens etc.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by lawik on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:04AM (#22168243)
I think there are plenty of reasons. You might like the OS a lot but not care about Apple's feelings.

Spite is another one. Or fun. It's a neat thing to do. Hacking-wise.

You might want the high performance hardware without the premium price.

I've considered it but will probably go Linux for my next desktop work machine.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by Fnoord on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:23AM (#22169078)
> I think there are plenty of reasons. You might like the OS a lot but not care about Apple's feelings.

Apple is a company. Companies do not have feelings; they have interests. Who are you (financially) hurting by running Hackintosh?

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by chrisseaton on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:23AM (#22168361)
> Spite is another one.

This is a bad reason to spend any of your life on something.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by jacobush on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:32AM (#22168746)
If in earnest, yes. But if more like in jest, than actual hurt feelings spite, why the heck not. It can be fun.

My somewhat humorous take back in the day - the terms said the OS must only run on Apple labeled hardware. So I labelled the hardware with a couple of Apple stickers. That should do it, right?! :-D

(If I recall correctly the stickers even came with the Snow Leopard DVD...)

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by dewey on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:07AM (#22168258)
> Can someone explain why you would want to run an operating system that actively tries to prevent you from running it?

Because for a variety of reasons they don't want to pay for a "real" Mac I'd assume.

Personally I'd not consider it as the value I get from a Mac is that I don't have to worry about updates, hardware, drivers and spending hours reading up on Hackintosh forums what's safe to do.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by morid1n on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:59AM (#22168215)
It’s that good. And the software on it is even better.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by cutler on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:23AM (#22168691)
Massive savings and modability. A Hackintosh can be significantly cheaper and you're free to upgrade your disk, RAM and cpu.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by wayoutthere on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:41AM (#22168810)
I still struggle to see the point these days -- swapping CPUs and RAM makes little sense even on Windows; RAM sizes have remained stagnant for years and the small generational speed increases on CPUs mean you'll likely need a new motherboard anyway by the time the cost/benefit is there. Disk is a non-issue as there are external enclosures that aren't expensive, and performance over Thunderbolt is as good as PCIe (because it is PCIe).

Performance-wise a MacBook Pro is and has been a great machine and not incredibly expensive, plus you get the portability aspect. For the "semi-professional" market that a Hackintosh is appealing to, most folks would be better off with a MacBook Pro and a Thunderbolt dock. You also miss out on a number of core features of the OS because the hardware that supports them doesn't exist.

Combined with the headache of keeping the machine current, it's not really a good tradeoff for a couple hundred bucks. You'd be better off buying a used MacBook Pro.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by morid1n on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:01AM (#22168925)
Try a couple of thousand dollars. My build is 1K cheaper than a similarly specced Mini without an eGPU. A comparable Mac Pro (yes, Xeons and ECC) is 7.2K USD.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by cutler on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @07:56PM (#22187891)
I was thinking more about what happens when parts fail, especially if you're nowhere near an Apple retailer. I used to be able to swap out disks and RAM with my MacBook Pro. Not any more.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by ErneX on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:10AM (#22168281)
I just can't stand Windows, I boot there to play games only.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by jimnotgym on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:14AM (#22168307)
Anything in particular?
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by rapsey on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:30AM (#22168390)
* Consistent keyboard shortcuts. One can get by with a keyboard for way longer on macOS. It makes general usage very efficient.

* Native bash terminal.

* Just works and the defaults are fine.

* homebrew package manager is quite nice.

* iPhone integration is pretty awesome (file air drops, calls, messages all available from macOS)

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by oneeyedpigeon on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:58AM (#22169371)
Agree with you on native bash and general fit and polish of the OS. However, when it comes to keyboard shortcuts, I strongly disagree. I used windows for about ten years, then moved over to Mac for the past ten. I still am not as comfortable with the keyboard under macOS as I was windows. Main culprits are tabbing between controls (many just don’t seem accessible) and different interpretations, across apps, of things like home, page up, etc.

Best example is finder: windows explorer, I could basically navigate by keyboard alone. Finder pretty much requires the mouse.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by unnouinceput on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:35AM (#22168417)
I think he meant what games you play.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by H1Supreme on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:33PM (#22172531)
I run mine for audio production, exclusively. I have some mac only software that is critical to my workflow, so I keep a hackintosh (which works perfect btw) running.

Updating an audio rig, in my experience, is done only when absolutely necessary. So, I don't bother (still on 10.12.6).

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by wor3q on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:23AM (#22169079)
You can't develop and deploy IOS or hybrid apps on any other system, and OSX is a pain to run on a VM...
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by pjmlp on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:10AM (#22168282)
I also don't get it.

Anyone doing this should support any of OEMs selling the BSD or Linux based hardware instead, like System76, Tuxedo, Dell, Asus.

Either one buys into the full Apple experience, or not.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by nik736 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:15AM (#22168318)
With a Hackintosh you have the full experience, since you have macOS installed. The underlying hardware is basically the same.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by pjmlp on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:52AM (#22168508)
Try to take the Hackintosh to an Apple store to see how the Apple Care repair experience plays out.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by morid1n on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:26AM (#22168711)
You don’t need to. If anything fails you just install a new part 1 hour later instead of waiting a week for Apple’s support to sort it out.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by wayoutthere on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:45AM (#22168833)
Except you have to consult a compatibility list on a forum post that may be 2 years old, and if that part isn't available you roll the dice and buy something you think might work. If it doesn't, you're on your own with no support.

Speaking from experience here -- if the price of a Mac is your barrier, forego the Hackintosh and buy a used Mac.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by morid1n on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:03AM (#22168938)
Not really. The biggest point of failure will be the drives and they’re universal. The only truly Mac-specific part is the motherboard and there’s plenty to choose from.

There is no Mac that supports my needs, used or new.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by wayoutthere on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:45AM (#22169259)
Video cards as well; anything newer than High Sierra only supports AMD cards.

I'm genuinely curious -- what needs do you have that a used Mac would not support?

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by Koshkin on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:24AM (#22168700)
Why on Earth would anyone do that.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by pjmlp on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:51AM (#22168872)
The point is that Hackintosh is not the Apple experience, rather being cheapskates to buy Apple's hardware and Care plans.

That being the case, better contribute to BSD and Linux OEMs.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by FireBeyond on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:07PM (#22172184)
As someone who has spent, as best I can tell, $50,000+ on Apple gear at home over the last decade, tell me again why I'm a cheapskate because I take issue with the world's richest company charging me nearly five times market rates for memory?

Oh, for the "Apple experience"? Please.

The last two Apple experiences I had involved them wanting to charge me $900 to repair a charging circuit in an otherwise perfectly functioning MacBook, and another where they repeatedly denied me warranty service on a maxed out MBP which could repeatedly be made to crash, oftentimes multiple times a day (due to what Apple begrudgingly admitted nearly six months later was in fact a design issue).

To be clear I'm perfectly happy with Apple hardware and software and realize that my experiences are outliers. But "because I'm a cheapskate" isn't really a valid argument here.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by zzzcpan on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:25AM (#22169097)
> Anyone doing this should

That's backwards. Rich megacorps are the ones that should be pressured to change their behavior, not individuals.

Plus the full Apple experience is just about getting your money, it's not actually better than the full Linux experience or the full Windows experience.

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by leadingthenet on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:05AM (#22170001)
> it's not actually better than the full Linux experience or the full Windows experience.

But it is?

- Can I view my iMessage texts / make and receive calls using FaceTime on Windows/Linux? No? There you go, a feature I'd miss on day 1.

- Can I run the Affinity suite on either of those? Nope. For that matter, you still can't use Adobe products on Linux, can you?

- Can I develop for iOS/macOS? Nope.

- Is there a consistent UI for native applications on Linux yet? Nope. For that matter, is Gnome still the bare bones GUI of choice for the most widely used distros?

- Do either of those two platforms integrate nicely with the rest of my Apple devices? Nope.

- Is the X Window System still a thing? How about Wayland, is it ready yet for a retina grade multi monitor setup? Am I able to take screenshots now, for the love of all that's holy? Let me guess, probably not.

- Is Windows still the insane mess that contains Win95/2000/XP UI elements?

- Is Windows still the telemetry infested product it was a few years ago?

I could go on, and on, and on, frankly, but what would the point be? I have slightly different preferences than you have, and that's totally fine. I'm sure you get by well with Linux/Windows, just as I get by well with using macOS.

Of course Apple created macOS and Mac hardware to make money! I assume correctly that Microsoft didn't create Windows to lose money on it, did they?

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by zzzcpan on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:12AM (#22170074)
Full experience presumes you buy into the platform and get used to it, drop all the alien stuff and alien ideas from other platforms, especially all the exclusive lock-iny ones that you listed.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by leadingthenet on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:16AM (#22170109)
Ok, that answers maybe half of the points listed.

What do you have in defence of the other half other than empty platitudes about "buy in", which is of course somehow different from the "lock in" Apple sheep do?

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by H1Supreme on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:36PM (#22172568)
Affinity runs on Windows. I have Photo and Designer.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by pjmlp on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:00AM (#22169385)
Even less reasons to use Hackintoshs then.
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by krzyk on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:20AM (#22168673)
Yeah, I don't understand it also.

For me I like the hardware of Mac but hate the software (macOs) as it assumes the users is a dummy, it is particularly hostile to power users.

Heck, even my wife (which is not a power user) thinks that macOs on her MacBook Air is too limiting and tries to hide "too complicated stuff" from the user, and considers getting a Windows laptop after using Air for 6 years. The only benefit of macOs from her perspective is integration with iPhone and airpods.

Similar feelings from my coworkers who choose MacBook over Lenovo at my work (particuarly using fullscreen on 2 monitors is a PITA).

Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by cutler on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:27AM (#22168713)
The Terminal is always there at your disposal. OS X is a real UNIX so I don't get how you're limited in any way. Why do so many developers swear by their MacBooks if it's so dumbed-down?
Re:My 2020 Hackintosh Hardware Spec by krzyk on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @10:40AM (#22181684)
Maybe not every developer is a power user? There are those that are happy with UI and there are those that prefer CLI. Maybe it is a frontend/backend preference (I prefer backend BTW)?

Some of the issues that my wife had (ordinary user):

- directory structure in Finder is strange, you don't know where your Documents is located

- photos after transferring from iPhone using the default app land in some strange format, should would expect to have jpeg/heic/mov files, but what she sees is a binary DB file (how to send photos to relatives from e.g. gmail, when you can't select it from the filesystem?)

- closing apps - when I click on the red button I expect the app to close, not just one of the windows, so the only way on macOs is to go to app menu and click Exit (too many clicks and needs scanning for a text), while I think most would prefer the other way around (my wife does)

And from myself: Why the default unix tools are in ancient versions? One has to install brew to do anything non-trivial in Terminal.