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Re:Google backtracks on search results design by Arainach on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:06PM (#22144597)
Right next to that copy icon is a pencil - the edit icon.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by dredmorbius on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:18PM (#22144640)
Yes: you cannot DIRECTLY edit the URL in the navbar.

Nor, for that matter, can you click, ctrl-A (yes, Virginia, I have and use a Bluetooth keyboard). Instead it's click, then Copy Icon.

Utterly blinkered.

Oddly: Incognito mode is not (yet) crippled in this manner.

Don't get me started on pull-to-nuke-whatever-you'd-been-composing-or-losing-your-place-in-infernal-scroll

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by saghm on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:54PM (#22144784)
> yes, Virginia, I have and use a Bluetooth clipboard

I'm assuming from context that your mean keyboard, but the idea sounds kind of cool so I have to ask: any chance this is a term for a a bluetooth device solely designed to facilitate copy-pasting between other devices?

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by dredmorbius on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:12AM (#22144844)
Yes, thanks, edited.

For cross-device control, there's ... Synergy, I think:

https://symless.com/synergy

There's an Android client (I've no experience with it): https://sourceforge.net/projects/synergyandroid/

On the Android, there's Termux which offers a clipboard interface -- termux-clipboard-get and termux-clipboard-set which I've aliased as "xp" and "xc" respectively. (I have similar aliases for Linux and MacOS's respective clipboard manipulators.)

You can paste (including to remote SSH sessions) with the ctrl-alt-v keystroke.

It's possibly to select and copy screen regions, but tediously, so that piping to / from xc / xp is far more convenient. (I sometimes use this for composing / editing HN comments, more frequently on other sites.)

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by makomk on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:11AM (#22145666)
There's no such Bluetooth device that I know of, but KDE Connect used to allow cross-device copy and paste between Android and desktop over WiFi until Google killed that feature off by disabling the clipboard access it needed.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by jlokier on Saturday January 25, 2020 @08:16AM (#22146116)
That sounds so useful. I've wanted that so many times!

In practice, I end up manually typing in long URLs on my laptop that people send me over SMS or whatever, and manually typing in long, high-entropy passwords on my phone when I would rather copy-paste them from my laptop's password database.

(Not that I'm running KDE. But the feature sounds great.)

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by eitland on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:49PM (#22148234)
I know Safari allows you to send urls/tabs between devices and I'm fairly certain Firefox does to.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by Rebelgecko on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:35AM (#22144921)
Logitech (and probably others) make wireless keyboards that let you copy/paste between different devices

edit: I should mention that I think this requires drivers on the computer end, so probably won't on iOS/Android

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by efreak on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:22PM (#22148416)
Such a keyboard wouldn't need drivers if it's programmed in to send multiple keypresses--ctrl+[axcv] works on standard Android text inputs and selections, as do the shift, arrows, home, end, pgup/dn etc.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by Wowfunhappy on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:37PM (#22148486)
It would be possible for a keyboard could paste without drivers, but how would it know what was copied?
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by jonny383 on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:17PM (#22144637)
Okay I didnt see that. But why is this necessary? What was wrong with the text box that opened what you would expect - the box filled out with the url of the page you are on?

In my opinion this is still a gentle push to encourage users to just type in a search query instead.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by dragonwriter on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:34PM (#22144705)
> Okay I didnt see that. But why is this necessary?

Probably because URL copy or share (the two icons besides edit than the new UI provides) are more common interactions than URL editing, and are (without a keyboard and with a traditional text edit control for the URL bar) higher friction; this streamlines the common usecases at the cost of adding an extra tap for URL editing.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by jonny383 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:03AM (#22145318)
The old version opened with the text fully selected. You could either type a query and overwrite the text, edit the url, or tap and hold to get... Low and behold, copy and share.

The only thing they have added is confusion and behavorial conditioning. I see no benefits of the "new" way.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by wffurr on Saturday January 25, 2020 @07:51AM (#22146039)
So what you are saying is the most common actions, copy and share, were behind a confusing an easy to mess up long press gesture.

A whole lot of people in this thread have never watched a normal person use a smartphone in a UX study.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by jonny383 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @08:47AM (#22146208)
I'm saying it operates as mobile users have learnt to use over the past decade (and how the rest of the OS UI works).
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by wffurr on Saturday January 25, 2020 @09:40AM (#22146404)
Long press, especially on selected text, has always been a subpar user interaction.

None of this UX design is perfect or totally settled, especially since it's only been 10 years since it's been mainstream.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by dragonwriter on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:19PM (#22148401)
> Long press, especially on selected text, has always been a subpar user interaction.

Exactly, and other than web pages (before this UX change), virtually every other well-defined piece of content that is likely to be shared had a prominent, distinct, easy-access share button on mobile (the separate copy to clipboard button added for URLs is not a common affordance; in most cases that functionality is one of many options accessed through the sharing function. OTOH, for URLs and certain other shared content, copying-and-paste is a particularly common sharing method, so promoting it to a first-class option further streamlines a common use case. ) This change actually better aligns the browser with every other way of interacting with shareable content on mobile rather than violating mobile UX expectations.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by brokenmachine on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:41PM (#22166235)
Long press is fine, it's the autoselection of words that messes me up (on Android).

I click the url bar in Chrome, then the whole url shows up selected. Then I long-press to copy the url, but no! It auto-selects only a single word in the url and brings up the option to copy just that single word. Stupid.

Yes I know that I can click on the lock icon and then on the url, and that's what I usually end up doing, but that is also stupid.

Edit: sometimes it seems to bring the original url down in a dropdown with share/copy/edit buttons, but that doesn't seem to happen all the time. I haven't worked out why the dropdown often doesn't activate.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by shadowgovt on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:28PM (#22148725)
There are enough new active daily users on mobile devices for the UX that users have learned over the past decade to be less relevant than whether an average user is confused.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by userbinator on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:54PM (#22148866)
If they wanted to make copy/share/whatever else easier, they could've just made those buttons appear with the first tap, but also not change the immediate editability of the selected text like it was before. That's why all those other comments here about how they made copy and share easier are beside the point --- it's definitely possible to do that without making editing harder. Sadly it seems the skill of adding new functionality and making things easier without breaking existing functionality and making things harder is not common these days... but that's really what I think people making changes should focus on and deeply consider.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by userbinator on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:19PM (#22144643)
In other words, an obfuscation of functionality that clearly shows their attempts at behavioural conditioning.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by crucialfelix on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:09AM (#22145342)
I think it's a great improvement.

Editing is much easier. 2 clicks. Cursor starts at the end, swipe to scroll and tap to place cursor where you want it.It was very annoying before.

Most of the time I want to copy a URL. It's now 2 fast clicks. Previously you had to long click or something to try to select all the text, then some extra step I've forgotten. I often had to try several times.

Share is now much faster. Two fast clicks. Previously it was click top right ... long drop down menu, scroll down to Share. Click that.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by gundmc on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:32AM (#22145387)
HN has gone off the deep end in reading conspiratorial motivations behind every UI change and tweak.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by californical on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:16AM (#22145680)
I don't think it's a conspiracy --

If you can't go to expedia.com as easily as you can Google search Expedia, you'll probably do the later. And if you Google search Expedia, the first result is usually an ad for Expedia. Now Google makes money on you in a way they hadn't before. The more people expect Google to deal with all of the silly "web domain stuff" for them, the more money Google makes.

It's all about the incentives, and in the end there's only one incentive -- money.

I don't think anyone working at Google is being intentionally bad at all, but I do think their incentive structure ultimately results in prioritizing feeding people ads as much a possible. The A/B tests show that doing things a certain way results in more revenue, and that's what drives the decisions. There are likely no ethics meetings on the implications on society for each small change, but the collective result of many small harmless changes (aimed at increasing profit) is bad for society in the end. Not due to any conspiracy or "evil".

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by gundmc on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:26AM (#22145714)
The change was a welcome QoL improvement in my opinion.

Typing a new address or copying the URL of the page I'm on covers ~95% of the use cases where I'm accessing the address bar on mobile and the change significantly reduces friction for both. It's exhausting to see every minute move Google/Amazon makes filtered through the HN cynicism lens.

Edit: Talking specifically about the chrome on Android omnibar change. The favicon desktop search change from TFA was awful.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by AJ007 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @11:16AM (#22146876)
Google has explicitly said they want to get rid of URLs.

Here is a story from April 2019: https://www.wired.com/story/google-wants-to-kill-the-url/

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by shadowgovt on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:31PM (#22148739)
> There are likely no ethics meetings on the implications on society

with respect, I don't think there would be an ethics meeting scenario about whether the default interaction for tapping the URL bar is copy or edit that would find any ethical concerns, besides "nerds will be annoyed we moved their cheese."

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by shadowgovt on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:29PM (#22148733)
At least an Android, any URL you can navigate to you can pin to the home screen. This seems a week way to force behavior people go to the same place commonly.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by throwaway3699 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @08:26AM (#22146140)
Google encourages all engineers to write an ethics section in their design docs, but like all design docs things tend to be optional.

Source: Google employee.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by allovernow on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:53AM (#22145776)
It is in a hacker's nature to assume the worst, and often rightly so.

Many of kind of people that come to HN have personally worked on various forms of gamification and rule bending. It's as natural to SV culture as water to fish - indeed some of the biggest companies wouldn't be around without skirting rules and arguably morals.

The stench of MBAs and quarterly profit optimizing execs is all over the valley.

And then the ignorance/apathy of the layman adds an extra layer of plausibility to such accusations.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by lioeters on Saturday January 25, 2020 @09:53AM (#22146457)
> The stench of MBAs and quarterly profit optimizing execs is all over the valley.

A good explanation for the increasingly normalized dark patterns ruining user experience on the web.

"Conspiratorial"? You bet. Have we not seen huge (and small) companies committed to screwing the public in as many ways as they can? It's not by accident, there's a widespread, condescending disrepect of users and just plain old conspiratorial maliciousness, intent on manipulating users and squeezing more profit.

Google's search results design (backtracked for now) is a clear symptom.

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by clSTophEjUdRanu on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:23PM (#22144660)
More like- how often do you edit a URL in the bar on mobile? It's a pain in the ass.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by harry8 on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:39PM (#22144725)
Every single time someone im's me some url with a bunch of tracking garbage after the ?
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by rapnie on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:18AM (#22145058)
I don't use Chrome but you have tracking token stripper plugin:

https://github.com/jparise/chrome-utm-stripper

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by thenewnewguy on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:46AM (#22145280)
I'll get right to installing that extension on Chrome for Android...
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by wruza on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:18AM (#22145210)
At this point one should question why it is pain in the ass, not how often does one edit it because it is. Browsers could easily show Notes.app-like editing window for a long urls. There is no reason to force it to be a one-liner, except that it is historical.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by userbinator on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:32PM (#22148467)
It's a pain in the ass.

...and they only made it more of one by making you press an extra button. It's like they took the "easy things should be easy, hard things should be possible" mantra and turned it into "easy things should be easy, hard things should be harder."

Re:Google backtracks on search results design by jimmaswell on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:40PM (#22144729)
I do often enough.
Re:Google backtracks on search results design by ddingus on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:48PM (#22144756)
Not really. I do it regularly.