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Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by kneel on Monday January 20, 2020 @11:11AM (#22099797)
The best way to get ahead is to inherit wealth.

The next best thing is financial services where you help people with their wealth management.

After that you have to actually start working. Intelligence is key and must be applied to a STEM field or a niche trade/business.

If you don't fall into any of the above things are looking grim. Careers that don't result in high yield profit are looked down upon.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by ronnier on Monday January 20, 2020 @11:30AM (#22099934)
If you are in tech and play your cards right, you can start to pull away and get yourself into a position where you can live off of investments and your net worth.

The key is to work hard when you start out, save, invest, and live cheaply.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by unknown_library on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:25PM (#22100397)
...and work in the Bay Area.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by lozaning on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:09PM (#22100787)
Only for as long as it takes you to build your personal network and resume so that you can demand the same pay elsewhere.

Anchor your salary as high as possible as quickly as possible to establish what you're worth and then move.

Bay area tech beaucoup bucks in flyover country is a recipe for early retirement.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mettamage on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:18PM (#22100860)
> Only for as long as it takes you to build your personal network and resume so that you can demand the same pay elsewhere. Anchor your salary as high as possible as quickly as possible to establish what you're worth and then move.

How would I justify a Bay area salary to Dutch companies?

Also, visa sponsoring is hard. Triplebyte and the like never considered me.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by thecolorblue on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:19PM (#22101791)
> Bay area tech beaucoup bucks in flyover country is a recipe for early retirement.

Does anyone get paid bay area rates in other areas? I have never heard of this. I work remotely for a bay area company and get paid based on local rates.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by wasdfff on Monday January 20, 2020 @08:21PM (#22103524)
Seriously. Good luck arguing for 400k total comp in Kansas or wherever when there are local engineers perhaps even senior to you who’ve been happily working for upper 5 figures all their career.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by halbritt on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:34PM (#22100473)
This helps. The cost of living keeps a lot of people out and there's a lot of competition for the folks that are here.

In smaller markets the same supply and demand exists, but there are far fewer options and possibly less willingness on the part of employers to compete for new hires.

A tech business in a smaller market might be growth constrained by a lack of talent and that may be fine. Tech employers in the bay area are generally under a lot of pressure to grow.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by swebs on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:47PM (#22100582)
NYC pays a bit less, but you can live wayyyyyy cheaper. Decent apartments just outside of Manhattan can be found for under $1k per month.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mancerayder on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:31PM (#22100990)
That's pretty deeply incorrect, I'm sorry. I think you mean you can rent a room in an apartment with roommates for 1K a month, which is the going rate unless you're in a luxury area.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by swebs on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:51PM (#22101167)
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mancerayder on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:27PM (#22101848)
Still nope. Several of the Brooklyn listings are scams: top link is a 4 BR for 900 in Bushwick, which speaks for itself. The others are NOT near Manhattan (these NJ spots like Newark, Montclair, even Bayonne are not considered close because of very long commute times). Gravesend is not anywhere near Manhattan. The list goes on, I just addressed page one. Streeteasy has more realistic listings.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by maps7 on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:57PM (#22100668)
"...and work in the " + USA

What is the commute like in NYC?

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by christiansakai on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:35PM (#22101035)
The MTA. It is not perfect but it is good enough. I say this as someone who experienced Singapore and Japan's subway system.

My commute time is 30 - 45 mins and I pay $1100 for my room outside of Manhattan.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mancerayder on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:34PM (#22101019)
Centralized. Jobs are found either in midtown or downtown, and subway lines feed into both. Your commute will be dependent on how much you spend to be near work, but even a non expensive area (like eastern Bed Stuy or Crown Heights) doesn't have a commute more than 40-45m. You can also be lucky enough to be able to walk to work if you don't mind living in Manhattan, and spending more for a nearby neighborhood.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by djrogers on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:35PM (#22100477)
> The best way to get ahead is to inherit wealth.

I think you need to define ‘best’ here. 80% of American millionaires today are first generation wealth, so if by ‘best’ you meant ‘most likely’, you’d be wrong.

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0810/7-millionai...

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by jayd16 on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:25PM (#22100917)
You're looking at this backwards. How many 2nd generation m/billionaires stay that way vs the average person becoming a first gen m/billionaire.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by imesh on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:48PM (#22100598)
I don't think of most millionaires as being particularly wealthy. Most millionaires are simply people who can retire at 60.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by devcpp on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:57PM (#22100665)
Funny, because you'd be wrong about billionaires too, 69% of them are first generation https://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/03/two-thirds-of-billionaires-m...

So which is it?

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by viklove on Monday January 20, 2020 @02:54PM (#22101635)
Right, but how many of those billionaires started as millionaires (or were born into a millionaire family)? When you have generational wealth, it's much easier to take risks.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by Dylan16807 on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:25PM (#22100915)
What do you mean 'which is it'? imesh didn't say anything contradictory.

But thank you for bringing some more relevant evidence.

It's good that inheritance seems to be less than half at all levels. But I'd still say getting it for free is 'best'.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by toohotatopic on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:58PM (#22100679)
>The best way to get ahead is to inherit wealth.

That's what has been true until how. But is it still true for the future? Interest rates are low, money is cheap. The rare resources are connections and cleverness.

If you inherit wealth, it's likely that you also got some connections. But life in that rich bubble, does it prepare the heir for the future where change is happening faster than ever before?

>It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

It's difficult to take advantage of change when your wealth depends on maintaining the status quo.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by Ancalagon on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:11PM (#22100804)
Completely secure investments have low interest rates, sure. But, imo, this argument falls apart if you look at investing into any form of real estate and any semi-desirable area.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by darkerside on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:27PM (#22100413)
This is ridiculous. Those are three great ways to build wealth. There are infinite other ways, from starting a small business, to working your way into management, to simply saving and investing in a smart way. Where would you get the confidence to say these are the only three paths, and that's it?
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by wasdfff on Monday January 20, 2020 @08:24PM (#22103536)
Sure, you could have a dusty useless ranch that produces nothing until you pound the dirt and black gold floweth, or win the lottery, but these are the most likely options today.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by astura on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:03PM (#22101689)
>The best way to get ahead is to inherit wealth.

Not true in practice. 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the second generation and 90% by the third.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-90-of-rich-peopl...

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 on Monday January 20, 2020 @11:55AM (#22100135)
> The best way to get ahead is to inherit wealth.

Sorry to be pedantic, but this is not “getting ahead”. It’s simply being ahead.

The act of getting ahead requires work or fortune, because it implies you are behind.

The act of cruising while ahead just requires discipline. The more money, the less self denial, the less discipline.