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Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by unknown_library on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:25PM (#22100397)
...and work in the Bay Area.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by lozaning on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:09PM (#22100787)
Only for as long as it takes you to build your personal network and resume so that you can demand the same pay elsewhere.

Anchor your salary as high as possible as quickly as possible to establish what you're worth and then move.

Bay area tech beaucoup bucks in flyover country is a recipe for early retirement.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mettamage on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:18PM (#22100860)
> Only for as long as it takes you to build your personal network and resume so that you can demand the same pay elsewhere. Anchor your salary as high as possible as quickly as possible to establish what you're worth and then move.

How would I justify a Bay area salary to Dutch companies?

Also, visa sponsoring is hard. Triplebyte and the like never considered me.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by thecolorblue on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:19PM (#22101791)
> Bay area tech beaucoup bucks in flyover country is a recipe for early retirement.

Does anyone get paid bay area rates in other areas? I have never heard of this. I work remotely for a bay area company and get paid based on local rates.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by wasdfff on Monday January 20, 2020 @08:21PM (#22103524)
Seriously. Good luck arguing for 400k total comp in Kansas or wherever when there are local engineers perhaps even senior to you who’ve been happily working for upper 5 figures all their career.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by halbritt on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:34PM (#22100473)
This helps. The cost of living keeps a lot of people out and there's a lot of competition for the folks that are here.

In smaller markets the same supply and demand exists, but there are far fewer options and possibly less willingness on the part of employers to compete for new hires.

A tech business in a smaller market might be growth constrained by a lack of talent and that may be fine. Tech employers in the bay area are generally under a lot of pressure to grow.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by swebs on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:47PM (#22100582)
NYC pays a bit less, but you can live wayyyyyy cheaper. Decent apartments just outside of Manhattan can be found for under $1k per month.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mancerayder on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:31PM (#22100990)
That's pretty deeply incorrect, I'm sorry. I think you mean you can rent a room in an apartment with roommates for 1K a month, which is the going rate unless you're in a luxury area.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by swebs on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:51PM (#22101167)
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mancerayder on Monday January 20, 2020 @03:27PM (#22101848)
Still nope. Several of the Brooklyn listings are scams: top link is a 4 BR for 900 in Bushwick, which speaks for itself. The others are NOT near Manhattan (these NJ spots like Newark, Montclair, even Bayonne are not considered close because of very long commute times). Gravesend is not anywhere near Manhattan. The list goes on, I just addressed page one. Streeteasy has more realistic listings.
Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by maps7 on Monday January 20, 2020 @12:57PM (#22100668)
"...and work in the " + USA

What is the commute like in NYC?

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by christiansakai on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:35PM (#22101035)
The MTA. It is not perfect but it is good enough. I say this as someone who experienced Singapore and Japan's subway system.

My commute time is 30 - 45 mins and I pay $1100 for my room outside of Manhattan.

Re:People no longer believe working hard will lead to a bett... by mancerayder on Monday January 20, 2020 @01:34PM (#22101019)
Centralized. Jobs are found either in midtown or downtown, and subway lines feed into both. Your commute will be dependent on how much you spend to be near work, but even a non expensive area (like eastern Bed Stuy or Crown Heights) doesn't have a commute more than 40-45m. You can also be lucky enough to be able to walk to work if you don't mind living in Manhattan, and spending more for a nearby neighborhood.