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Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by qwerty456127 on Saturday January 11, 2020 @04:21PM (#22022400)
This is all bullshit anyway. A word is just a word and whenever it insults somebody it's their own problem. I would rather change my actual name to Fuck if I wasn't too lazy to deal with problems like that.

I once read a story of a Vietnamese man named Hui. He had to go to the court to protect his right to be named this way in Ukraine where the word is used widely and has only one meaning - a dick.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by reaperducer on Saturday January 11, 2020 @04:24PM (#22022420)
A word is just a word and whenever it insults somebody it's their own problem.

There was a study linked to on HN a couple of years ago that found that babies recognize swear words even before they have language skills, and that people can sometimes recognize swear words in languages they don't speak. It has to do with the tone and sharpness of the sounds.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by qwerty456127 on Saturday January 11, 2020 @04:52PM (#22022592)
Does this mean a baby, whose father's name is Dick would feel bad and/or get mentally traumatized?
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by lostlogin on Saturday January 11, 2020 @05:13PM (#22022724)
> It has to do with the tone and sharpness of the sounds.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by michaelmrose on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:13PM (#22027911)
Babies are recognizing the act of swearing at someone rather than the particular word being spoken.

The baby wouldn't experience the father's name as a swear word unless the conversation was for example about the dicks new girlfriend and his wife's assessment of the matter.

Dick vs DIIIIIIICK

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by afandian on Saturday January 11, 2020 @05:42PM (#22022893)
Precisely the opposite.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by gridlockd on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:21AM (#22026362)
> A word is just a word and whenever it insults somebody it's their own problem.

That's what you think the world should be like, not the way it is. If your name is Adolfhitler Smith, a perfectly legal name in the US, then you will have trouble getting hired.

That's a made up example, but there's evidence[1] that unusual (not necessarily obscene) names will lead to less success in job applications.

If you have a "bad" name, it's your problem well before anyone else's.

[1] https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by cortesoft on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:03PM (#22023017)
This is a nonsensical argument. A word has meaning, which is why it is a word and not a sound.

If I yell insults at you, you are saying that doesn't mean anything? And if you get insulted, it is your own fault?

No, words have meaning based on a common understanding between the person saying the word and the person hearing the word. If I insult you and you understand it, it is me who did the insulting, it is not 'your problem'

You should try this argument out in court: "No, your honor... I can't be guilty of threatening to kill someone.. sure I said, 'I am going to kill you tomorrow at 5pm', but those were just words! If the person felt threatened, that is on them!"

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by manigandham on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:12PM (#22023087)
> "And if you get insulted, it is your own fault"

Yes. It's just sounds that you hear, then your brain recognizes and turns them into words with meaning. How you react to the meaning is entirely within your consciousness. This is how you might pick up words from languages you don't know if the sounds are similar, yet you wouldn't claim to be insulted by them.

> "If the person felt threatened, that is on them""

Yes, your feelings are your own, nobody else controls them. That's one of the fundamentals of free speech. There are some very limited situations (like threats) where it's overruled, not because of your feelings but because of the intentions being forecast. Even then, there's a very high bar to prove any criminal intent there.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by saagarjha on Saturday January 11, 2020 @09:41PM (#22024105)
> How you react to the meaning is entirely within your consciousness.

Considering that it is often very easy to guess how people will “react to the meaning” of the sounds you make, it’s often considered polite to refrain from making them when they would probably offend.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by manigandham on Saturday January 11, 2020 @09:52PM (#22024148)
Sure, but politeness is besides the point. It doesn't change the fact that your reaction is still your responsibility.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by qwerty456127 on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:44PM (#22023277)
> If I yell insults at you

In such a case I would just assume you are stupid or something and keep on my business. If you don't have capacity to ignore that kind of noise you probably need treatment. Threats, however, are a different story.

You shouldn't care much if some random people express their opinion which is you're a moron (unless you meet such people often - then it might be a good idea to actually make sure there is nothing wrong with you or you are not hanging out in a wrong place) - ignoring insults usually causes better consequences than reacting to them. At the same time you usually should be worried if somebody threatens to kill you, ignoring threats can often get you in a real trouble.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by Larrikin on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:00AM (#22026285)
This is very much the same argument I hear online on why it's ok to use the word, nigger, and even why it is ok to call black people that word. Words have meaning and swear words have meaning and history to their usage.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by lokedhs on Sunday January 12, 2020 @07:50AM (#22026061)
If you yell insults at me, I will be offended. It doesn't matter if the words you use are "fuck off", "f*k off" or even "would you be so kind as to vacate the premises by the violent application of a large phallic-shaped object on your rear end".

The entire discussion here has been about being offended by a word, even though that word is used in a context which is not offensive at all.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by cortesoft on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:27PM (#22030016)
Right, but that is because of a flaw in their attempts to fix the problem of trying to stop people who are setting their names in attempt to insult and offend people.

Some people are trying to insult and offend, so they set their names as offensive and insulting names... in an attempt to stop that, Lyft messed up and blocked non-offensive names that share the same words as the offensive ones.

That doesn't mean words can't be insulting and offensive, it just means context matters and algorithms have trouble with context.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by fapjacks on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @01:33AM (#22042399)
> If I yell insults at you, you are saying that doesn't mean anything? And if you get insulted, it is your own fault?

Yes. You should check out Seneca, and/or Epictetus.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by gdy on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:51AM (#22026494)
"A word is just a word"

Good luck using the N-word in the US.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:32PM (#22027568)
Dave Chapelle's Mark Twain prize show on PBS was littered with N and F bombs. Only Fuck was censored.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by rjeli on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:28PM (#22028046)
Not sure if you are aware but Chapelle is black
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by homonculus1 on Monday January 13, 2020 @02:06PM (#22037478)
Does the skin color of the person vibrating the air impart some intrinsic quality to it?

The point of the comment above is that the meaning is informed by the listener, you can import all the traumas and neuroses of those around you or you can listen mindfully and limit the impact to whatever is the speaker's intent and capacity to harm you.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by gdy on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @03:09PM (#22048734)
In the historical context, where in the US people with white skin had people with black skin as slaves, yes, it obviously does.