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Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by cortesoft on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:03PM (#22023017)
This is a nonsensical argument. A word has meaning, which is why it is a word and not a sound.

If I yell insults at you, you are saying that doesn't mean anything? And if you get insulted, it is your own fault?

No, words have meaning based on a common understanding between the person saying the word and the person hearing the word. If I insult you and you understand it, it is me who did the insulting, it is not 'your problem'

You should try this argument out in court: "No, your honor... I can't be guilty of threatening to kill someone.. sure I said, 'I am going to kill you tomorrow at 5pm', but those were just words! If the person felt threatened, that is on them!"

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by manigandham on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:12PM (#22023087)
> "And if you get insulted, it is your own fault"

Yes. It's just sounds that you hear, then your brain recognizes and turns them into words with meaning. How you react to the meaning is entirely within your consciousness. This is how you might pick up words from languages you don't know if the sounds are similar, yet you wouldn't claim to be insulted by them.

> "If the person felt threatened, that is on them""

Yes, your feelings are your own, nobody else controls them. That's one of the fundamentals of free speech. There are some very limited situations (like threats) where it's overruled, not because of your feelings but because of the intentions being forecast. Even then, there's a very high bar to prove any criminal intent there.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by saagarjha on Saturday January 11, 2020 @09:41PM (#22024105)
> How you react to the meaning is entirely within your consciousness.

Considering that it is often very easy to guess how people will “react to the meaning” of the sounds you make, it’s often considered polite to refrain from making them when they would probably offend.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by manigandham on Saturday January 11, 2020 @09:52PM (#22024148)
Sure, but politeness is besides the point. It doesn't change the fact that your reaction is still your responsibility.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by qwerty456127 on Saturday January 11, 2020 @06:44PM (#22023277)
> If I yell insults at you

In such a case I would just assume you are stupid or something and keep on my business. If you don't have capacity to ignore that kind of noise you probably need treatment. Threats, however, are a different story.

You shouldn't care much if some random people express their opinion which is you're a moron (unless you meet such people often - then it might be a good idea to actually make sure there is nothing wrong with you or you are not hanging out in a wrong place) - ignoring insults usually causes better consequences than reacting to them. At the same time you usually should be worried if somebody threatens to kill you, ignoring threats can often get you in a real trouble.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by Larrikin on Sunday January 12, 2020 @09:00AM (#22026285)
This is very much the same argument I hear online on why it's ok to use the word, nigger, and even why it is ok to call black people that word. Words have meaning and swear words have meaning and history to their usage.
Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by lokedhs on Sunday January 12, 2020 @07:50AM (#22026061)
If you yell insults at me, I will be offended. It doesn't matter if the words you use are "fuck off", "f*k off" or even "would you be so kind as to vacate the premises by the violent application of a large phallic-shaped object on your rear end".

The entire discussion here has been about being offended by a word, even though that word is used in a context which is not offensive at all.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by cortesoft on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:27PM (#22030016)
Right, but that is because of a flaw in their attempts to fix the problem of trying to stop people who are setting their names in attempt to insult and offend people.

Some people are trying to insult and offend, so they set their names as offensive and insulting names... in an attempt to stop that, Lyft messed up and blocked non-offensive names that share the same words as the offensive ones.

That doesn't mean words can't be insulting and offensive, it just means context matters and algorithms have trouble with context.

Re:Lyft’s algorithm is trying to block people with names lik... by fapjacks on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @01:33AM (#22042399)
> If I yell insults at you, you are saying that doesn't mean anything? And if you get insulted, it is your own fault?

Yes. You should check out Seneca, and/or Epictetus.