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Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by eanzenberg on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:07PM (#21985559)
Not sure about the marketing swaying people these days. People are going for the easiest devices to use that get out of the way and are high quality.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by kristianc on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:23PM (#21985764)
Which I guess would explain why there are Android phones that crush the iPhone on tech specs but make a minuscule (and sometimes negative) proportion of the industry’s profit?
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by jedberg on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:35PM (#21985878)
At this point no matter how amazing the Android is, I would find the iPhone easier. I've been using an iPhone for so long it's just second nature. At one point I was forced to use an Android for a month. I could just never get used to the interface.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by vinay427 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:12PM (#21986274)
It's actually quite remarkable to me that I can have such a different experience as a longtime Android device user and both of these experiences can coexist. I could never go back to the iPhone interface, and every time I have to use someone else's phone I'm always astounded at how hidden away the (few) options still available to me seem.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by heavyset_go on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:07PM (#21987893)
Discoverability of UI features is atrocious on iOS.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by asdff on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:01PM (#21988176)
It really is. I don't know where anything is in the settings submenus anymore.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by kristianc on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:57PM (#21986131)
You find the iPhone easy to use because the iPhone is easy to use and more or less consistent in every iPhone device you’ve used. A five year old can use an iPhone.

That’s competitive differentiation, which is very much part of marketing. An iPhone isn’t easy to use in the same way that git is easier to use than svn for someone who has been using git for a decade.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by swozey on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @10:38AM (#21992300)
When I had my six month affair with an Iphone 6 it took me a month (I don't get many calls) to finally get frustrated enough to google "How to reject calls" because I was so used to Android giving me a big red X that I never even considered pushing the power button to reject a call (I think that even just mutes incoming calls on Android, I forget), that X let me mute or reject based on the direction I swiped it. I could only figure out how to mute the rings which means my car radio would just be silent until the caller finally gave up.

I know a lot of iphone users think it's the most intuitive machine in the world and a 5 year old can get it, and I'm obviously heavily swayed by my decade or whatever with Android but the amount of hidden/unintuitive-to-me/impossible-to-do things I found was what moved me back to Android after that trial.

I spent a LOT of time searching on Google for how to do things with that phone.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by mhh__ on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:54PM (#21987103)
Really? In my view it's just a phone, just use whatever you prefer but I can't relate to getting used to an interface as per se
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by jedberg on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:17PM (#21987257)
It’s muscle memory. Imagine how inefficient you’d be if someone moved the vowels to a different spot on your keyboard.

While both keyboards are nearly the same, everything you type would be wrong for quite a while.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by mhh__ on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:29PM (#21987322)
Is it though? Ignoring the fun stuff, I just email, read (datasheets and text)books (i.e. PDFs and phone people on my phone - how much muscle memory is there in the first place?

Unless you mean the wider ecosystem, in which case I agree.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by filoleg on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:15PM (#21986792)
Actual specs don’t mean much with phones, I learned. Somehow my old Galaxy S8+, that had specs crushing iPhones on paper, after just a few months of use, would be way choppier and slower to use than an iPhone 7, which was both older and had way worse specs. And mind you, i am not the kind of person who installs tons of random apps and runs them in the background all the time.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by swozey on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @10:50AM (#21992429)
That seems odd, you reset it after encountering that? I still have an S8 in my drawer but upgraded to the S10 when it came out last year and I honestly can barely tell the difference in their performance (I don't really mobile game so no idea there). I was actually really disappointed that it didn't feel like I'd just upgraded to a new model Corvette but felt like I got a car wash, which is how I'm sure all my phone upgrades will feel after the S7 now.

I had a big performance problem on my s7 way after putting in a high speed SDcard that apparently was corrupted or damaged. I was only, as far as I know, who knows what Android was storing on it, putting podcasts/images on it and it still brought my entire OS to its knees until I removed it. That was a huge trial in my Android loyalty because I went months with this incredibly slow phone until I finally was packing it up to sell, remembered "oh I don't want the buyer to have my SDcard!" pulled it out and it felt like a new phone again, I got another 2-3 years out of it. Eventually tossed it at the ground on accident thus the s8..

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by filoleg on Thursday January 09, 2020 @02:30PM (#22004628)
Yep, I tried full reset without restoring from backup. After a few months, it got back to the choppy and sloppy level of performance again, not even mentioning battery lasting a bit less than a day. Which was a dealbreaker to me, since dealing with battery anxiety is not fun. My current phone easily lasts me 1.5 days without charging, so even with very heavy usage, I am never worried that it won't last me through a full day.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by Grazester on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:15PM (#21986309)
I am like you but with the Android. Every time I use my wife iPhone I want to toss it across the room. I think primary because it doesn't have a dedicated back button.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by htfu on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:40PM (#21986525)
You mean "swipe in from left of screen"? Sure it might only apply 80-90% of the time but I'd say that's about on par with the back button behaving like I expect it to..
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by hk__2 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:00PM (#21986669)
> I think primary because it doesn't have a dedicated back button.

Why is this an issue? Do you need dedicated back and forward buttons to browse through your pictures? Of course not, you just swipe left and right. That’s how the iPhone handles the “back” movement.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by Grazester on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:39PM (#21987758)
facepalm

I just clicked on an album in "Photos", I could scroll through them swiping left and right to go through the photos but now I have to rely on the arrow at the top left of the screen to go back to view all albums. I like having a back button always present on the buttom of my screen in Android for this.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by gareim on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:44AM (#21989608)
Swipe from the very edge of the screen, and it takes you "up" (or "out", however you want to term it) a page.

So if you've selected a photo, a swipe down dismisses the photo. From there, a swipe in from the very edge of the screen brings you out of the current album and back to viewing all albums.

I will make a video demonstrating it if you would like.

Initially, this behavior may seem weird to some from outside the iOS ecosystem? But dismissing photos by pulling down seems to be common UX with modern apps. And swiping from the side feels so natural, that apps that don't implement it (10%?) are jarring. It could be said that a weakness here is that Apple does not enforce universal usage, but most apps have implemented it well. When it does work (90%?), my thumb appreciates not having to reach the bottom left of the phone.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by SenHeng on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:53AM (#21991377)
There's a high possibility that many people haven't discovered that feature because covers often interfere with the swiping from outside gesture. Or anything related to touch at the edge of the screen, like dragging apps onto the next screen.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by snypox on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:15AM (#21989412)
Of course you don’t need to reach that far, my fingers are not even that long. Grab the middle of the photo with one finger and swipe down. Most (all?) navigations on iOS are swipe based. On another note, if I’m being honest I still miss the “main” button of iPhone after using iPhone 11 since it came out (3months).
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by hk__2 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:00PM (#21995146)
> facepalm

Sorry if it sounded sarcastic, this was a sincere question.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by mhh__ on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:55PM (#21987111)
The musician in me makes me yearn for a "physical" button
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by doliveira on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:10PM (#21986748)
Back as in "go back to the previous screen".
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by Daneel_ on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:33PM (#21986941)
Apple’s design language is to put the ‘back’ item at the top left of the screen, usually as a < symbol.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by userbinator on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:05PM (#21987177)
...which makes it far harder to reach than the button(s) on the bottom.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by Grazester on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:41PM (#21987776)
I know this, but when an app goes fullscreen and hides this button I have to think to long about how to get out of it especially being that I am not a regular iPhone user
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by saagarjha on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:14PM (#21986304)
> there are Android phones that crush the iPhone on tech specs

This is largely not true anymore. (In fact, in certain areas it would be appropriate to say that it's iPhone doing the "crushing".)

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by stefanfisk on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:34PM (#21985864)
crush is a strong word here, which Android phones would that be referring to? I got bored after they released the X, but at least up to and including that generation iPhones dominated benchmarks while at least being top 3 in photo quality.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by mikestew on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:11AM (#21991545)
A monster V8 engine with a stiff clutch in a lightweight chassis isn’t much use if it’s undrivable by the majority of the population. Honda sells a lot of Civics, not so many track cars.
Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by cromwellian on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:55PM (#21986092)
It’s simple to explain in the same way that Apple even in the 90s made the most profit of any personal computer manufacturer even though PCs clearly had superior hardware and much more software.

The answer is monopoly pricing vs competition. Apple is the only iOS manufacturer, just like they were the only MacOS Manufacturer (excepting the brief period of Mac clones)

That means all Android manufacturers compete and split their market driving down prices and margins and divvying up market share.

You saw the same thing in PCs when they were almost sold at cost or razor thin margins because they were commodified: a pc from dell vs hp vs compaq vs gazillion other vendors was basically the same experience.

Re:Apple AirPods: iPhone accessory or the next big thing? by kristianc on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:09PM (#21986255)
> The answer is monopoly pricing vs competition. Apple is the only iOS manufacturer, just like they were the only MacOS Manufacturer (excepting the brief period of Mac clones)

I don’t disagree with this, but it only matters at all because iOS (and access to its user interface, Safari, lock in on iMessages) is a distinct value add. BlackBerry also had a monopoly on their OS as did Palm as did Nokia. None of them exist anymore.