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Re:Products I Wish Existed by hprotagonist on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:48AM (#21969986)
Products I'm glad do NOT exist:

4. ADT 2.0: Digital neighborhood watch.

Ring is gross enough, thank you very much.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by Wistar on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:02PM (#21973916)
My ex-neighborhood (Magnolia in Seattle) has had Flock Safety install 6 "AI" camera systems, two at each of the three entry/exit point of the neighborhood. Each installation has a camera overseeing entering traffic and one overseeing exiting traffic. The cameras have license-plate recognition and object detection for car color/make/model, pedestrians, bicyclists and even animals. Flock Safety charges $2,000 per year per camera. Magnolia is one of about 10 Seattle-area neighborhoods with Flock Safety cameras installed. The Magnolia residents themselves pay for the cameras and service. They all can log in to a web service and see the footage and ALPR lists, timestamps, etc.

Friends I have who live there are thrilled with the system although the Seattle police seem to have little interest in the system telling the residents that they are only interested in seeing footage that shows suspicious activities or is directly related to a crime.

https://www.flocksafety.com/

Porch pirates are so bad in my new neighborhood that I admit to wanting one of these on my dead-end culdesac and have investigated what it would take to build such a system myself.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by knicholes on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:06PM (#21975095)
1. Set up some raspberry pis with cameras that run a webserver that when hit, it returns the current image.

2. Create a backend that queries each camera for their current image.

3. Run the images through some object recognition neural network (fastai has some great object recognition tutorials).

4. Make your backend stitch together the images from each camera to make a video of what was being recognized when objects of interest were detected (each camera will create its own video)

5. Create a nice little UI/App for everyone to view the movies with some filtering in place (time of day, object(s) of interest).

I want to create something like this as well. All of the pieces seem to be pretty straightforward to me except for figuring out power and network connectivity. I guess each neighbor would have to configure the device to use their SSID... and hope someone doesn't steal the raspberry pi and get the SSID credentials from memory... Maybe just make the neighbors use a separate network?

Re:Products I Wish Existed by Wistar on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:12PM (#21975670)
Wow. Thank you. There is an OpenALPR project for license plate recognition.

https://github.com/openalpr/openalpr

Also at: http://doc.openalpr.com/opensource.html

And a ready-to-go version you can buy/subscribe based on their stuff:

http://www.openalpr.com/

Re:Products I Wish Existed by tinus_hn on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:53AM (#21970027)
It already exists in apps for nosey neighbors like Nextdoor
Re:Products I Wish Existed by Normal_gaussian on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:11AM (#21970224)
I signed up to our Nextdoor (uk).

There seems to be four things on here: - an avon lady over agressively spamming her stuff (blocked) - people asking for small job recommendations (who should I get to fix my garden gate, babysitter, tv ariel fitting) - some notices about local events (when / where fireworks, Remembrence, carolling) - group commiseration that one time some group was speeding all over town at midnight running red lights and keeping us up with their skidding and revving.

Honestly pretty good. I see it maybe once a week.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by siffland on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:51AM (#21970631)
I went to sign up for Nextdoor and it wanted full access to all my contacts in my phone. I looked on their site and that is so they can invite friends from my contacts. I didn't sign up, maybe i will later, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

https://help.nextdoor.com/s/article/About-android-app-permis...

Re:Products I Wish Existed by benglish11 on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:47PM (#21971191)
I have the iphone app and it didn't require this permission or maybe it asked and I denied it. Is that not possible in android?
Re:Products I Wish Existed by Normal_gaussian on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:09PM (#21971385)
I just checked my app, it had no permissions.

I wouldn't allow it to do so, so I assume it asked, I said no, and we moved on.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by scarface74 on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:56AM (#21970058)
Aka: “I see a suspicious looking Black Guy in our suburban neighborhood. It looks like he is breaking into a house by using a remote to open a garage door and driving in.”
Re:Products I Wish Existed by jedberg on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:21PM (#21971531)
Yeah, my Next-door has a lot of that. They aren't that obvious though. I like to call them out.

"I saw a suspicious man walking down the street!"

"What made him suspicious?"

"He just doesn't look like he belongs here."

"Why?"

"He's black"

"Being black isn't suspicious"

I then I get an email from Next-door about my comments being reported!

Re:Products I Wish Existed by notJim on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:16AM (#21970273)
Also: "why haven't the cops arrested all these homeless people yet?"
Re:Products I Wish Existed by _jal on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:31AM (#21970425)
The only value Nextdoor provided me was making me aware that the asshole down the block is also a racist.

Deleted that cesspool after confirming it was just another fear-inducer service for people who get off on that.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by chasd00 on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:21AM (#21970319)
the one useful thing Nextdoor is good for is lost/found pets. Other than that, i've never liked it.

I have a Ring and some of it is just downright funny.

> "suspicious person on my porch, be on the look out!" >> "um, that's the mailman."

Re:Products I Wish Existed by dunkelan on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:56AM (#21970054)
I think the key term is "consumer-centric". Ring and other home cams are necessary peace of mind for a lot of people.
Re:Products I Wish Existed by kec on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:13AM (#21970240)
Consumers can be assholes as well. I was harassed by one of my neighbors and the police because their ring camera caught me walking through the parking lot in front of my building on the same afternoon this neighbors car was broken into.
Re:Products I Wish Existed by runjake on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:57AM (#21970080)
Non-DIY plus subscriptions plus corporations rarely leads to "consumer-centric".

More often it's almost solely profit-driven.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by eladgil on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:48AM (#21970603)
One could argue that for most non-engineers, non-DIY is crucial for most products.

For example, in the 90s a lot of people thought everyone would host their own email servers. In reality, consumers flocked to Y! mail and later Gmail, since most people really can't or won't do this themselves.

Most people also do not change the oil on their own car (at least in the USA) etc.

In my mind the question is can you develop a great product in this area. It is possible (and sad) that Ring or Nest is as good as it gets (or have default won due to superior distribution). But I do think there are a lot of features I would want as a consumer that would make this experience better for me.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by criddell on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:36AM (#21970480)
What's wrong with subscriptions? If you are getting an ongoing service (like Spotify, or HBO, or magazine delivery, etc...) it seems that an ongoing fee makes sense.
Re:Products I Wish Existed by TeMPOraL on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:09PM (#21970814)
Products turning into services, that's what wrong. You stop paying, the devices stop working. Or, they decide they're bored with providing the service, and pivot or get acquihired (or just decide to prod you into upgrading), the devices stop working.

Plus, it seems that the new breed of service companies isn't satisfied with just providing a service in exchange of money. They also use the opportunity to exfiltrate as much data about you as they can get.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by mynegation on Monday January 06, 2020 @12:41PM (#21971133)
That is fine. I am happily paying for Spotify as they provide me with tremendous value day over day. I spend much less on music than in the days of buying CDs and Have access to a huge catalogue, instantly.
Re:Products I Wish Existed by criddell on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:37PM (#21971722)
You don't subscribe to cable tv or netflix?
Re:Products I Wish Existed by TeMPOraL on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:47PM (#21973118)
I do, but a) problems of these businesses are well-known, and b) there's a difference between a subscription to entertainment and subscription to necessities (or at least things with higher impact on one's life).

Also, in case of cable/Netflix, a lot of downsides are mitigated by piracy. There's no worry you'll be cut off from the entertainment you want, because you can always Torrent it if push comes to shove.

Re:Products I Wish Existed by asdff on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:34PM (#21972989)
Eventually it's going to come to a head that these cams do little at all for security. I have a wyze cam that I use to watch my pet, but I'm well aware that even if it caught a burglar in the act that the LAPD isn't going to do anything with that video or the case.
Re:Products I Wish Existed by Falling3 on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:05PM (#21973300)
I agree with you, but I think that particular example says more about our police than it does about the cameras.