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Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by est31 on Sunday December 29, 2019 @10:55AM (#21906488)
> I think there are very few print books that actually have real resale value, so that's not a big factor for me.

Actually, I believe that used ebooks can sell for almost the same price as "new" ones. Unlike with physical books, there is literally no difference in reading experience between an ebook that has been sold a hundred times and an ebook that's new.

However, as someone who reads books and who would appreciate a right for resale for ebooks, I don't appreciate it for being able to make money from reselling it. I am more interested about the effects: that I have actual ownership over the ebook. That the place which sold me the ebook going bankrupt doesn't disrupt my abilities to read it. That I can lend it to a friend. etc.

Now, if you allowed resale, ebooks would have close to "new" resale values, and more importantly, resale values of ebooks which have been sold three or four times would stay the same. This would create the problem that people could buy an used ebook, read it, and then resell it afterwards for the same price, basically reading the ebook for free. Now libraries are doing something similar with physical books, but they are inconvenient to use. You need to get to the library, stand in queue, handle the books, think about bringing them back in time, etc. But ebooks don't have such limitations and you could build a super convenient solution around ebook lending. While it's great that people read books, it's sadly not really good for publishers or authors. I kinda understand them that they want to close this loophole. Still, you could allow for resale in some different fashion. E.g. a resale tax of 10% of the value or something. In my opinion that would be the optimum, and a solution that's fair to everyone.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by everdev on Sunday December 29, 2019 @11:16AM (#21906612)
> This would create the problem that people could buy an used ebook, read it, and then resell it afterwards for the same price, basically reading the ebook for free.

If the author still got a cut of the resale price, this might actually increase sales.

There are tons of books I'd like to read but I felt were out of my monthly book budget.

If I could recoup a good portion of my costs I'd buy more books.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by JadeNB on Sunday December 29, 2019 @11:30AM (#21906720)
> If the author still got a cut of the resale price, this might actually increase sales.

Historically, this idea hasn’t gone over well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine .

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by emodendroket on Sunday December 29, 2019 @11:09AM (#21906572)
But is it necessary for ebooks to succeed? You can't resell a digital movie, video game, or song you bought either.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by mastax on Sunday December 29, 2019 @12:32PM (#21907142)
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by ethbro on Sunday December 29, 2019 @11:29AM (#21906707)
It'd be interesting to have a resale tax for used goods, on top of any negotiated price, that followed royalty payments for a new digital good.

As is, we're essentially artificially creating disposable goods, for the primary purpose of enriching distributors at a cost to consumers.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by snuxoll on Sunday December 29, 2019 @01:00PM (#21907318)
I think restoring copyright to sane periods is a better solution, resale of digital goods requires online DRM systems to continue functioning indefinitely and we’ve seen the issues that causes.

I would be less annoyed by essentially consumable digital goods if I knew sometime down the road they would enter the public domain in a reasonable timeframe, and not well after the eventual death of the current generation of children.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by jjeaff on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:48PM (#21909820)
I shudder to say this, but that might actually be a use case for blockchain. A shared distributed ledger that an ebook reader consults before opening an ebook.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by est31 on Sunday December 29, 2019 @09:25PM (#21910270)
Yeah the "don't let people sell used books twice" problem maps pretty well to the "prevent double spend" problem that blockchains (try to) solve.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by incompleteness on Sunday December 29, 2019 @12:12PM (#21907009)
Archive.org already has lending queues for ebooks!

I sincerely hope I haven't made you feel the way I felt when my gramdmother told me I had, in fact, not invented scrambled eggs.

IMO if buying ebooks were super easy many people would do it, I know Steam and the PS Store had that effect on me.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by ghaff on Sunday December 29, 2019 @12:45PM (#21907237)
Years ago, Tim O'Reilly made the observation that time was really the limiting factor in how many books people read (or something along those lines). That's certainly the case with me. Spending (typically) $10 for a book that will take me 8 hours or more to read is a great value for my time--and that's not even counting libraries or out of copyright works--and I'm not sure how acquiring most books could be much easier than it is.

Books could be universally free and maybe I'd browse a bit more but I wouldn't really read more.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by dwighttk on Sunday December 29, 2019 @04:42PM (#21908714)
That may be specifically true for you and Tim O’Reilly (and even billions of other people) but it isn’t generally true
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by gbear605 on Sunday December 29, 2019 @02:51PM (#21908024)
I think it depends on the situation. I read a lot more (for myself, not for classes) in college when I had access for free to all those books. The cost of books impedes humans. Luckily there are libraries all over, but they’re not nearly as extensive.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by BenjiWiebe on Sunday December 29, 2019 @04:53PM (#21908801)
In my case, I have a fair bit of time for reading, and I read very quickly. I am forever waiting in a queue for ebooks via my library, and a lot of the books I'd like to read aren't available that way. If I were to buy all the books I read, I'd be broke.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by macjohnmcc on Sunday December 29, 2019 @12:44PM (#21907227)
I thought for sure you were the inventor of the scrabbled egg.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by eyeball on Sunday December 29, 2019 @12:01PM (#21906945)
>you could build a super convenient solution around ebook lending

my library lends ebooks using an app, works great

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by hylaride on Sunday December 29, 2019 @12:34PM (#21907161)
Libby/Overdrive? It’s great, except for the 12 weeks I’m waiting for most of the books I want, then they become available during time that I don’t have to read.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by pugio on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:02PM (#21909577)
I've started collecting libraries (cards) from each place I live. Libraries will often have more than one digital service (Overdrive, Hoopla, Borrowbox), and each library may have sharing agreements with neighboring systems.

I use the Chrome Instant Multi Search extension to search all the libraries+services – about 12 different sites at this point. Between them they have almost every book I want in e-book or audiobook, and by placing holds I can keep a steady queue of books going. Managed 125 books this year that way, the majority of them digital, and free.

Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by easymodex on Sunday December 29, 2019 @05:51PM (#21909168)
What? So for borrowing e-books you also have to take turns reading it? This is just insane.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by fancyfish on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:43PM (#21909800)
Yes, it is like a physical book where the library has a given number of books to lend at any time, and you get to borrow it for a specified time window. Likewise for audiobooks and videos. You have to use the Overdrive app (US users can also use Kindle for e-books). It is insane and exactly what I've come to expect here in the US.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by kippinitreal on Sunday December 29, 2019 @04:47PM (#21908759)
The trick (at least on a kindle) is that a book loan doesn’t get marked as closed until you go to the homescreen. Just have to be very careful to avoid that button!
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by hylaride on Monday December 30, 2019 @08:40AM (#21913239)
I wish kindle library integration was available in Canada, but alas.
Re:Publishers Determined to Kill E-Books by admax88q on Sunday December 29, 2019 @02:35PM (#21907934)
The whole concept of "used ebooks". Just sounds wrong.