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Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by criddell on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:07AM (#21899556)
How did we go from a country that made it a crime to share video rental records to one where everything you watch is constantly monitored and monetized?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Drakim on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:13AM (#21899601)
It was the common man who shared video rentals yesterday, while it's businesses who monitor and monetize today.

Just wait until you see how white collar crime is punished compared to street crimes!

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by daveFNbuck on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:27PM (#21900189)
OP was talking about rental records. That would be Blockbuster telling a marketer which videos you rented, not you lending a rented video to a friend.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by greglindahl on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:02PM (#21900920)
This is why we have the video rental privacy law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork

> During debate over his nomination, Bork's video rental history was leaked to the press. His video rental history was unremarkable, and included such harmless titles as A Day at the Races, Ruthless People, and The Man Who Knew Too Much. Writer Michael Dolan, who obtained a copy of the hand-written list of rentals, wrote about it for the Washington City Paper.[36] Dolan justified accessing the list on the ground that Bork himself had stated that Americans had only such privacy rights as afforded them by direct legislation. The incident led to the enactment of the 1988 Video Privacy Protection Act.[37][38]

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by arpa on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:59PM (#21901341)
This is just ... sad.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by mycall on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:23AM (#21899702)
Let me guess. Mostly ignored.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:46AM (#21899882)
Basically encouraged would be more accurate.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by pjc50 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:35AM (#21899793)
The video rental records were used to compromise a congressman from the ruling party. That's the only reason there is a specific privacy law for them.

If you want a TV privacy law, you'll have compromise a congressman.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by btown on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:37AM (#21899811)
Correction: if you want a regulatory law of any kind, you'll have to compromise a congressman to a greater extent than existing foreign and corporate interests have already compromised said congressman.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:42AM (#21899841)
Maybe bring them to your island and secretly record them doing something illegal?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by bilbo0s on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:56AM (#21899963)
So basically, if you're the common man or woman, and unable to afford an islend, you're SOL.

Most of us have no reasonable ability to compromise a congressperson.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ben_w on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:02PM (#21900482)
For now.

I suspect someone will hack together a WiFi-derived radar, combine it with a bunch of laser microphones, and point the result at the homes of politicians to get pose, heart rate, breathing rate, and room-by-room sound recordings.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by devdas on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:42PM (#21901583)
Then you'll just be suicided in a cell.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by chii on Saturday December 28, 2019 @10:27PM (#21903747)
have a handy note always tucked away into your body saying you are not a suicide risk, and don't intend to do so.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by njudah on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:11PM (#21900072)
Slight correction; it was John Tower, a potential Defense Secretary nominee whose nomination was scuttled when a local paper got hold of his video rental records. He wasn't in congress at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tower

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by nvrspyx on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:38PM (#21900277)
Slight correction; it was not John Tower (and I'm curious how you mistook the two), it was Robert Bork. He was nominated for the Supreme Court by Ronald Reagan. His video rental history was obtained by Michael Dolan. His nomination was rejected by the Senate, but it wasn't necessarily over his video rental history because the videos he rented were entirely unremarkable. However, it brought up questions of privacy and resulted in the Video Privacy Protection Act of 1988.

EDIT: I should add that accessing his video rental history was used as an example and a counter to Bork's own anti-privacy position, which is probably the real reason his nomination was rejected (although I can't say for sure since I'm no expert in this stuff and this all happened before I was even born)

You'll find the info at the following link under the "U.S. Supreme Court Nomination" section:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bork

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by samstave on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:59PM (#21900452)
Huh, I was thinking that it was going to reveal porn or some-such... but nope

>During debate over his nomination, Bork's video rental history was leaked to the press. His video rental history was unremarkable, and included such harmless titles as A Day at the Races, Ruthless People, and The Man Who Knew Too Much. Writer Michael Dolan, who obtained a copy of the hand-written list of rentals, wrote about it for the Washington City Paper.[36] Dolan justified accessing the list on the ground that Bork himself had stated that Americans had only such privacy rights as afforded them by direct legislation. The incident led to the enactment of the 1988 Video Privacy Protection Act.[37][38]

>To pro-choice rights legal groups, Bork's originalist views and his belief that the Constitution did not contain a general "right to privacy" were viewed as a clear signal that, should he become a justice of the Supreme Court, he would vote to reverse the Court's 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade. Accordingly, a large number of groups mobilized to press for Bork's rejection, and the resulting 1987 Senate confirmation hearings became an intensely partisan battle.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by njudah on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:51PM (#21900387)
I stand corrected thank you! (Perhaps I was confused as they were both rejected nominees around the same time?)
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by nvrspyx on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:41PM (#21900743)
No problem! I went to the wikipedia article you linked and didn't see any mention of the video rental records, so I got curious and tried to look it up and couldn't find anything until I looked up the privacy act, which led me to Bork. That was the only reason I was curious how the two were mistaken as I am not knowledgeable in the slightest about these things. I just like to trek down the rabbit holes others provide and try to pay it forward with any corrections I stumble upon.

So thanks for the rabbit hole!

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by artificial on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:36PM (#21901171)
Borks also the origin of the term “Borked” since he was candid in his answers about constitutional policy and this cost him nomination and is now why Supreme Court nominees are more opaque with what they say vs what they think.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by mikeyouse on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:15PM (#21901449)
I think carrying out Nixon’s Saturday Night Massacre to cover up his numerous watergate crimes was a bigger factor in the failed nomination.. but he certainly did turn into a focus of a lot of grievance.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:44PM (#21901594)
I'm fairly certain the word existed and was in use before 1988. Do you have a reference for this incident causing the creation of that word?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by pbhjpbhj on Saturday December 28, 2019 @05:51PM (#21902369)
They seem like they might be parallel and unconnected etymologies -- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bork#Etymology_2.

It would seem strange that a political etymology had a specific impact on the computing world. But the mistype of broken as "borken", and further mis-grammaring to borked would seem consistent with the humour of computing people IME.

The use in computer circles is also just one of "generally broken" (or utterly broken, perhaps) rather than "politically discreditted". I think they might be just coincidental homonyms.

Here's a [not particularly] interesting prior use: https://archive.org/details/Florida_Flambeau_1959/page/n221?... someone borked the pronounciation in Russian of beetroot soup ("borsht", Russian "s" is with a "c" shaped letter).

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by NSCFType on Saturday December 28, 2019 @04:26PM (#21901843)
> VERB

> informal US

> Obstruct (someone, especially a candidate for public office) by systematically defaming or vilifying them.

> Origin

> 1980s from the name of Robert Bork (1927–2012), an American judge whose nomination to the Supreme Court (1987) was rejected following unfavourable publicity for his allegedly extreme views.

from OED https://www.lexico.com/definition/bork

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by snickerbockers on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:27PM (#21900186)
What in the hell was he renting that ruined his career?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by tasty_freeze on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:26PM (#21900653)
Until recently, Supreme Court nominees tended to sail through congressional approval even when the President who nominates candidates was different from the majority party that approves them. Bork was the first one in a long time who was rejected by the Democrats.

But note that Bork was not a mainline candidate -- he had some significant baggage and was well outside the legal mainstream in his opinions on privacy. It was that latter thing that sank Bork, who held that there is no guarantee of privacy.

https://schoolworkhelper.net/robert-borks-the-right-of-priva...

The baggage was related to Watergate. When it became apparent to Nixon that Watergate was going to sink him, Nixon tried to get the special prosecutor dismissed. Nobody would do it, except Bork:

> Richard Nixon ordered Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox; Richardson refused and resigned effective immediately. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox; Ruckelshaus refused, and also resigned. Nixon then ordered the third-most-senior official at the Justice Department, Solicitor General Robert Bork, to fire Cox. Bork considered resigning, but instead carried out the dismissal as Nixon asked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by pjc50 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:42PM (#21900319)
Actually Robert Bork, and I misremembered : not actually compromising, but worse, a reporter being a smart Alec. Bork had asserted that there was no right to privacy so a reporter set out to demonstrate that invading his privacy would upset him.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071009150938/http://www.theame...

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by unlinked_dll on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:43PM (#21900758)
Bork was an originalist so I doubt invading his privacy would change his stance. Kind of a dumb move by the reporter.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Jamwinner on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:14PM (#21903910)
Except that it worked...
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by wavefunction on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:39PM (#21900733)
It's great when sanctimonious fools like Bork are hoist by their own petard.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by SmirkingRevenge on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:45PM (#21900337)
I don't know the specifics of this case... but back then, video rental stores did big business renting porn. That definitely could ruin a career or two, especially in those days.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:46PM (#21901612)
The chains like Blockbuster had no porn, at least none that I ever saw. Maybe the independent stores did?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by nitrogen on Saturday December 28, 2019 @04:05PM (#21901719)
Yes, I remember a 21+ section in the rental store as a kid, in a small room next to the kids section and partitioned by a ribbon curtain.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Ajedi32 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:31PM (#21901134)
I mean, that's pretty much how the system is _supposed_ to work, right? You want a law passed, you convince one of your duly elected representative to propose the law, get it passed through both houses and signed by the president.

Now maybe actively attacking members of congress isn't the most forthright way of convincing them that a law against that specific attack is a good idea, but assuming you can do it legally (such that the only way any future such attacks could be prosecuted would be if a new law were created to make the attack illegal) it does seem like like a rather effective approach.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ojosilva on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:47PM (#21901235)
You don't really need to do anything illegal. Just wait for the next data leak from hacked Samsung servers and the member of congress' data may just show up among millions of records on a torrent site.

That's the clear and present danger here, not that businesses and their data scientists are having a field day with your personal life, but that they are sloppy and you, your data and your community are vulnerable to irreparable damage being inflicted by bad actors downstream.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by fosk on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:12AM (#21899592)
Slowly, and then all of a sudden.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by naner on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:16AM (#21899630)
Ads, baby. Everything you do online is for sale.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by welly on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:22AM (#21899696)
The Internet needs to be better than being almost entirely propped up by the advertising industry.

Surely even they know their day will come.

It will, won't it?

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by giancarlostoro on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:30AM (#21899761)
Somehow it will. Not sure when. I tire of Amazon giving me ads to things I already bought. Like someone told me they bought something you usually only buy one of like... Random example: a new toilet or something... No I dont need another one the replacement one was fine enough thank you!
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Cougher on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:32AM (#21905562)
What's worse is the blatent lie of "frequently bought together", where they tell you that people frequently buy three different models of the same item, often different brands. It's like, Amazon thinks that people are completely gullible idiots. Then again . . .
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by welly on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:03PM (#21901370)
You and me both.

Given everything amazon has on offer in the way of machine learning etc. is their algorithm for promoting items you might want to buy as simplistic as "I see you bought a pair of running shoes! Perhaps you might want another pair of running shoes?".

Come on amazon!

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Scoundreller on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:11PM (#21900983)
Or worse, you’re looking to sell something that you’d only need once in your life (eg: a PS4), so you list it on eBay, but now you’re getting non-stop ads to buy one.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by vonquant on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:51AM (#21899924)
You're more optimistic than I. Hard to overthrow the industry that specialises in manipulation.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by LamaOfRuin on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:04PM (#21900025)
Except they're clearly bad at it. Their biggest success is the hype about how effective their methods are with absolutely no proof.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ethbro on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:20PM (#21900139)
Advertising's entire model since the beginning has been -- your competitors are doing it, can you afford not to?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by SlowRobotAhead on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:04PM (#21900026)
It takes a little longer every time someone implies ad blockers are “stealing” or that it’s all ok because “it’s the model”. I completely refuse both of these ideas.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Pxtl on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:41PM (#21900745)
Except this is the case where users have made a large cash purchase, and so have the realistic expectation that they are the paying customer and not a pair of eyeballs to be sold to the highest bidder.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by hombre_fatal on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:16PM (#21900587)
If "their day comes" and we still don't have a cultural shift that involves paying anyone for content except the largest tech companies (e.g. Netflix), then we'll be even worse off.

Though, that Patreon has any traction at all suggests that a shift is happening or at least becoming feasible.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by welly on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:18PM (#21901467)
I'm not sure what the alternative is. You can pick up a newspaper for 20p,or a "quality" newspaper for 50p (UK rates). Would I pay 50p a day to browse a news site? At the moment, no, because I can get my news for free elsewhere, with similar political alignment. I feel like I would pay something for really, really good curation and aggregation of news I'm interested in. But not all the time.

It seems subscription is the only alternative to free and I don't want endless subscriptions to news (be it tech news or what's going on in the world). Because it all adds up. I want to be able to buy stories/news etc. ad hoc as I do/did a newspaper rather than being committed to a month subscription where I may not take advantage of it all the time.

Spotify is an example of a service I use frequently but probably don't use it every day and as such I sometimes unsubscribe from it. I'd love to be able to subscribe to it when I'm using it. Say 25p/30c a day (or less ideally).

Sure it may end up coming out costing me more than a monthly subscription but some months it wouldn't because I don't use it all the time.

I'm all for paying for content but all these subscriptions add up.

AWS has got it figured out, to a degree - more so than media companies. Charge for usage.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by smolder on Saturday December 28, 2019 @09:07PM (#21903371)
It depends on whether they are able to cement their "right to exist" as a business model through regulatory capture and other sorts of bullying as is the case with for-profit medical insurers and car dealerships and likely many other things I'm not thinking of.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by daveFNbuck on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:30PM (#21900216)
Displaying content on your television isn't something you do online. It's something you're doing at home. Samsung is spying and putting it online.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by inetknght on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:36PM (#21900261)
You don't own your Samsung TV. You lease it. It's therefore Samsung's screenshots, not your private ones.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by daveFNbuck on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:39PM (#21901567)
The Samsung TV is a physical object that you purchase. It might be true that you don't own the software running on the TV, but you at least own the TV.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ojosilva on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:57PM (#21901324)
After I've moved to Firefox and installed lots of ad-blocking plugins, enacted privacy settings and GDPR options everywhere available and uninstalled mobile native apps (ie. FB, Twitter), I felt like I had defused the whole data-collection-to-advertising lifecycle. By not seeing ads, no matter what Samsung collects, I would be safe or at least disruptively useless for them... until Samsung showed me a small, targeted ad through their TV UI. Resistance is futile.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by JustSomeNobody on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:12AM (#21899596)
Too many people saying, “I have nothing to hide.”

Also, people like “free” stuff.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by asdkhadsj on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:19AM (#21899664)
It's not even a free problem, it's general pricing. Companies constantly seek ways to increase profits, while customers constantly seek bargain basement pricing.Electronic privacy is not a problem people have dealt with at large, I think. People also often view the competency of corporations much higher than the HN crowd typically does.

I think this is the same for any category of information though. Informed people will heavily advise against things that the public just has no idea on. Health is a big one.

My question is what can we do aside from running around in panic? It feels hopeless.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ethbro on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:23PM (#21900155)
Mandate transparent disclosure.

Consumers don't care about these schemes because they largely don't know the details.

There should be clear, tobacco-esque disclosure requirements of this sort of thing on the product packaging.

If Samsung et al. want to data mine their customers in exchange for lower pricing, they're welcome to do so. What should not be legal is doing so and appearing the same as a company who does not do so.

Then the market can make up its own mind.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by inetknght on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:42PM (#21900313)
Transparent disclosure doesn't mean shit when the company can honestly say what it's doing and there's zero repercussions for it.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by jellicle on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:39PM (#21901190)
I think it would make a difference if some TVs came with large stickers mandated on the box, advertising, and included within, that said:

"THIS TELEVISION MONITORS ALL OF YOUR VIEWING HABITS AND THE DATA IS SOLD FOR PROFIT. ANY TIME IT IS USED, THE PROGRAM BEING WATCHED IS SENT TO THE MANUFACTURER. IF YOU DECLINE TO BE MONITORED, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO RETURN IT FOR 30 DAYS FROM DATE OF PURCHASE AT NO CHARGE TO YOU."

and some did not.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ethbro on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:55PM (#21900414)
Are there?

I couldn't point to one IoT / internet-enabled appliance that I would say is transparent about its adtech to non-technical users.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by hibbelig on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:33PM (#21900697)
I apologize for being dense. Are you saying that informed people will advise against health? I think you meant something different but I’m too dense to understand.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by asdkhadsj on Sunday December 29, 2019 @09:49AM (#21906124)
Nah, I just brought up Health as a general topic - one that has a deep pool of knowledge, more than a typical person even remotely knows, and also one that the experts in it's subfields advise against all sorts of things. What to eat, how much to drink, how much to exercise. My step mother didn't even know what a carb was, which I thought was basic understanding on food intake. So I used health as an example of a field where:

1. there is a lot of knowledge

2. the ramifications of not knowing things in that field are fairly high.

3. is a common source of experts advising the public do things differently. Eat less, exercise more, etc.

Which I think is somewhat the case here with Privacy and Information Tech. It's a problem that affects the public to some degree of severity, but "they" seem largely unaware of it.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by giancarlostoro on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:31AM (#21899779)
Nothing to hide mentality ignores why America has a Bill of Rights. Becuase the moment you give a government too much control you have no rights. We are slowly working towards this. Little by little our rights are taken away.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by CAT0 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:36AM (#21899802)
Americans are so afraid of the government/socialism that it has sold itself to corporations. This is one of the prices you 'll have to pay.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by heavyset_go on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:09PM (#21900524)
> Also, people like “free” stuff.

I pay for a ton of products and services that still siphon my private data and serve me ads. The problem is that companies will try to squeeze as much value as they can out of their customers, whether they pay or not.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by 8ytecoder on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:07PM (#21900047)
It’s really hard for people realize the effects of something that could potential harm them in the future. Future self Vs present self, present always wins.

Nothing is free. People don’t realize that google being free is because, let’s say, Samsung pays Google for ads. And Samsung passes it on to customers. Lo and behold, your phone purchase pays for Google. (This is simplistic but I’m using it as an example of hidden costs. Advertisers could potential still spend the money elsewhere or keep it as profits)

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Koshkin on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:06PM (#21900038)
Convenience. Even always using the private mode when browsing the web is a hassle.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Pxtl on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:41PM (#21900751)
Except these are expensive TVs and not "free".
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by jacquesm on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:29AM (#21899751)
In a word: lobbying.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Nextgrid on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:33PM (#21900241)
Corruption.

FTFY.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by jacquesm on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:35PM (#21900250)
Fair enough, that's another good name for it. Lobbying is legalized corruption in many ways, especially in those fields where the politicians of today are the industry captains and lobbyists of tomorrow and vice-versa. This incestuous relationship is the root of much that is evil.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Cougher on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:34AM (#21905572)
From the Department of Redundancy Department.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by dominotw on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:05PM (#21900035)
In a word: convenience.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by jacquesm on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:31PM (#21900225)
No, laws are not made by convenience. They are made by lawmakers who in turn are influenced by lobbyists. That is why it was illegal to share video rental records and that is why it is not illegal to monitor and monetize your private data.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by dominotw on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:18PM (#21900592)
>They are made by lawmakers who in turn are influenced by lobbyists.

> In a word: lobbying.

can i simplify this as "laws are made by lobbyists" ?

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by ken on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:44PM (#21900327)
Tasks versus goals, same as always. It's exactly the same as the question of why it was once recommended to carry a rifle for safety when traveling from St. Louis to Portland, and now it's recommended you leave it at home.

The goal was always to make corporations money. The task necessary to accomplish this goal just happened to flip.

Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by purple-again on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:49PM (#21900366)
Wait who would recommend making that journey unarmed today?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Cougher on Sunday December 29, 2019 @07:35AM (#21905577)
Anyone who would prefer that there be fewer armed jackasses in our midsts.
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by Despegar on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:19AM (#21899659)
It was the natural outcome absent privacy legislation like GDPR. Why not create a two-sided market out of everything?
Re:Samsung TVs May Upload Screenshots for Automatic Content ... by jgalt212 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:14AM (#21899615)
indeed. This turn of events continues to blow my mind.