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Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by JohnTHaller on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:09AM (#21861793)
Oh, you want to updates your apps? That's easy. Open up the App Store and then click on your profile picture.

Wait, what?

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by kccqzy on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:38AM (#21862068)
Hold the App Store icon until a menu appears. Choose "Updates" and done.

I'm not defending Apple here. I only accidentally discovered this shortcut. I feel that designers these days expect users to explore a lot of things out of blind faith in order to discover functionality.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by emodendroket on Monday December 23, 2019 @08:39AM (#21863502)
Somehow we've unlearned all those lessons about styling links to look like text and making users play Minesweeper on the screen
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by rogy on Monday December 23, 2019 @05:22AM (#21862688)
only works if you know where your app store icon is. i dont use the icons from the launcher screens anymore, everything goes in one folder bar the 'sticky apps'

find it much faster to just pull down and search for apps

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by vladvasiliu on Monday December 23, 2019 @06:49AM (#21863052)
On the Iphone it works when long pressing in the search results too. (iOS 13.3)
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by frank2 on Monday December 23, 2019 @12:40PM (#21865329)
Am curious what you mean by the 'sticky apps'.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by OGWhales on Monday December 23, 2019 @08:15AM (#21863384)
Thanks for the tip. I always forget how to do it the couple times I've updated.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by zentiggr on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:27AM (#21861846)
Wow, that's seriously dysfunctional. I get that Apple doesn't do UX testing but maybe they could do some UX testing?

Getting at least one user's opinion about a redesign might have nipped some of this in the bud

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by Razengan on Monday December 23, 2019 @09:15AM (#21863686)
THIS right there is what seems to be the core issue at Apple these days:

It doesn't feel like they have anyone who uses their own products anymore (dogfooding.)

The one thing about Steve Jobs was that he was a user like us, sharing most of the same annoyances and frustrations and in a position to make the engineers do something about them.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by riffraff on Monday December 23, 2019 @10:16AM (#21864075)
on the contrary, to me it feels like they have people who only use the latest product, and know it 100%. So when something new comes along, nobody is confused.

Just all of us who don't live at apple 24/7.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by domador on Monday December 23, 2019 @10:52AM (#21864372)
The following, classic comic speaks more to Windows-style UI pathologies, but it seems appropriate here as well:

http://okcancel.com/comic/4.html

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by domador on Monday December 23, 2019 @10:49AM (#21864343)
You got that right! I'm all for dogfooding, but at some point, it can turn into kool-aiding, if you don't take a look at how people out on the street are actually using your products (or trying to.)
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by OGWhales on Monday December 23, 2019 @08:16AM (#21863387)
Yeah I think exactly one would be enough lol
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by q-base on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:52AM (#21862120)
Haha I have for the past few months wondered where the "update" list had gone in the new App Store. Thanks for the help :) That is of course the most natural place to put that information - said no one ever.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by Aeolun on Monday December 23, 2019 @07:41AM (#21863258)
“Upcoming Automatic Upgrades > 82”

Something must be going wrong here. It doesn’t appear the ‘automatic’ part of that is working :P

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by ollie87 on Monday December 23, 2019 @08:41AM (#21863511)
Yeah I've been having that issue.

Along with the email inbox bug they claim to have fixed but is still very much live and well on my iPhone 7 Plus.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by endorphone on Monday December 23, 2019 @08:13AM (#21863378)
A constant barrage of application update notifications, and the process of doing the same, was an unnecessary chore that led to update fatigue. Apple moved to defaulting to automatic updates, removed the various signals and notifications about updates pending, and now the average person just has updated apps within a reasonable window of consideration.

e.g. This was definitely a change for the better. They're pushing something that shouldn't be first class into the background, in the same way that you don't manage memory or decide which apps in the background to close.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by krtkush on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:17AM (#21862001)
I feel that this is a dark-pattern to force users to enable automatics updates.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by JBiserkov on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:05AM (#21862167)
They just needed the space previously occupied by "Updates" to promote their "Arcade"
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by xattt on Monday December 23, 2019 @05:26AM (#21862705)
Clearly, the solution would be to place Arcade under Profile. Easily accessible!
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by endorphone on Monday December 23, 2019 @08:23AM (#21863421)
iOS 13 defaults to automatic app updates. How in the world is that a "dark pattern"? I get that people got accustomed to manual updates [1], and some illusion that this gave them some control, but from a rational evaluation it makes no sense.

[1] - I remember when Google first added enabled automatic app updates and one of the most common retorts, including on here, was "can you say bricked" and similar nonsense.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by ascagnel_ on Monday December 23, 2019 @09:28AM (#21863748)
iOS updates apps automatically; system updates still require explicit user approval. I think it 's a decent trade-off, given that the options are "don't update", "update now", and a default of "update overnight, when/if the device is plugged in".

More stuff should allow for the latter option.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by ItsMattyG on Monday December 23, 2019 @11:19AM (#21864640)
Google and Netflix are horrible for this.

Want to switch which user account you're using? No problem, simply find the picture of the current user account that you definitely don't want to use, and click on it.

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by golergka on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:44PM (#21866632)
Clicking your user account picture to access actions related to your user account (such as, change account, logout, change this picture etc) actually seems pretty intuitive. Where would you expect to find this functionality instead?
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by ItsMattyG on Monday December 23, 2019 @03:15PM (#21866935)
I was expecting to find it there, but older people who I've walked through these interfaces would expect it to be under something like "settings" or "switch account" rather than "this account".

Also, it's really a stretch to say that an action related to account x is "switch to account y."

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by fingerlocks on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:13AM (#21861990)
It makes way more sense when you have multiple profiles with a different set of apps for each of them.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by tzs on Monday December 23, 2019 @11:28AM (#21864705)
If N updates are available, they put a red badge with an N in it on top of the profile picture, the App Store icon, and if you have moved the App Store icon to a folder on top of that folder.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by denzil_correa on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:10AM (#21861984)
The inclusion of the Arcade tab on the App Store has pushed this change. I'm guessing that Apple feels like most people don't really update apps manually and just do an auto-update.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by marcusjt on Monday December 23, 2019 @06:48AM (#21863046)
Presumably they have real stats not just guesses, but still, seems like a dumb place to move it to without any indication/affordance.
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by ianai on Monday December 23, 2019 @07:55AM (#21863300)
They could put an Update Applications pane in the Settings application - like next to the Software Update pane...
Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by capedape on Monday December 23, 2019 @12:38PM (#21865312)
Yea this is awkward. It will then often show you a “partial” list of the available updates so you might have to swipe down a couple times to see the full list.

I also know the long press shortcut to get to updates, but often forget that. As well as the copy/paste swipe gestures.