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Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by boyadjian on Sunday December 22, 2019 @11:22PM (#21861472)
Maybe optimism is profitable on an individual basis. But at the collective level, I am not sure it is such a good idea. Anyway, not being optimistic does not mean you must be pessimistic : We just have to be realistic. That mean, accepting the world for what it is, and not what we want it to be.
Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by drusepth on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:13AM (#21861805)
Thiel has a good chapter on dichotomizing optimism/pessimism as it relates to building the future in his Zero to One book. Someone else can probably quote it better, but it basically boils down adding a definite/indefinite qualifier also.

He posits:

- Definite pessimists have a concrete negative potential future in mind and often work to subjugate it

- Indefinite pessimists have a vague "the future looks negative" and don't act on concrete plans to improve it

- Definite optimists have a concrete positive potential future in mind and often work to make it a reality

- Indefinite optimists often have a vague "everything will be fine" mindset and rely on others to make that a reality

On a general sense, I'd wager that both optimists and negatives are a good idea to have at the collective level, as both are driven by similar but different motivations. I'd say it's the definite subsets of each group that are "realistic" and "useful" as it pertains to the future, rather than either larger group as a whole.

Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by WilliamEdward on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:08AM (#21861790)
Being optimistic and realistic will always be better than just being realistic. The two aren't at odds and having things to look forward to is what separates the miserable from the successful.
Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by 15__characters on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:24AM (#21862031)
> accepting the world for what it is

That's impossible for anyone in the world.

A pessimist and an optimist will probably consider various interpretations as realistic, yet neither will see the world "as it is".

Even just the idea of the world as something that can be seen, thought of, considered, described etc. is squeezing it through a very human-shaped filter, and what you get out of the other end is always more about us than about the world.

Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by fortran77 on Monday December 23, 2019 @12:08AM (#21861602)
I know a lot of optimists who aren't realistic. But they're happy and tend to be successful.

It's a principle among the Hasidim, too. The followers of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov believe that we should feel commanded to be happy at all times:

https://breslov.org/1366/

Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by thinkingemote on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:46AM (#21862093)
Being realistic is not an alternative to optimism or pessimism though.

A pessimist cynic will say "that's just the way it is" for example.

Additionally pessimism and optimism are mainly about thinking about the future rather than objective state of now.

Perhaps it's stocism that's a more fitting alternative.

Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by Zod666 on Monday December 23, 2019 @12:54AM (#21861747)
I haven't read the article yet but I've heard stats like this before. Is it simply the effect of a positive emotional state? When my friend and I were talking about this I said:

'Be happy. Or else.'

Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by rectang on Monday December 23, 2019 @12:59AM (#21861765)
Or else we'll put the happy helmet on you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc (Ren & Stimpy Happy Happy Joy Joy Song)

Re:People who tend to be optimistic are likelier to live to ... by Zod666 on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:31AM (#21861859)
I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me. Why didn't you believe me!