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Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by gautamcgoel on Sunday December 22, 2019 @12:24AM (#21855371)
I was just at NeurIPS (gave a spotlight talk in the session on online learning). TBH, NeurIPS gas grown too big for it's own good; this year there were 14,000 attendees. It's so big that they had to restrict access to some of the poster sessions due to overcrowding. It's become very difficult for junior researchers to find and talk to senior people, due to the sheer size of it all; honestly, it feels like an overcrowded science fair crossed with an industry expo. I much prefer AISTATS, which I attended this year in Okinawa, Japan. Much smaller, more accessible, and with more focus on disseminating scientific ideas, as it should be.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by softwaredoug on Sunday December 22, 2019 @02:56AM (#21855850)
Probably also too many people are focused on a solution, and not problems for specific domains. Learning more about deep learning is cool, but in practice, most problems in domains need domain expertise combined with more mundane models. This is particularly true when you need to rally domain experts help - folks able to understand logistic regression more easily than a complex deep learning model.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by MAXPOOL on Sunday December 22, 2019 @04:58AM (#21856223)
NeurIPS should be about fundamental science not about applied science and engineering solutions for specific domains.

Science vs applications would be actually a good way to divide NeurIPS into two conferences to get focus back: NeurIPS and Applied NeurIPS. One wold present science, the other tweaks, tricks and methods to solve everyday problems.

Papers like "Partially Encrypted Deep Learning using Functional Encryption", "Dancing to Music", "Differentiable Cloth Simulation for Inverse Problems" would go go the engineering conference for the "most people".

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by elcomet on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:02AM (#21856465)
> Partially Encrypted Deep Learning using Functional Encryption

I don't agree about this one. It does seem fundamental science to me.

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by b3kart on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:44AM (#21856640)
And here we see the problem with this particular way of splitting. Although I agree NeurIPS needs to be split up somehow.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by nabla9 on Sunday December 22, 2019 @07:56AM (#21856891)
Encrypting deep learning is problem for practical applications that require privacy. That's applied science.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by elcomet on Sunday December 22, 2019 @08:54AM (#21857098)
Well machine learning is applied science. But inside there are theoretical work (like encrypted machine learning or optimization theory) and practical work (like text2speech, or other tasks)
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by Vervious on Sunday December 22, 2019 @01:10PM (#21858642)
Disagree. Theory is always interested in building better, simpler protocols, asking questions about lower bounds and possibility. See almost all of fundamental crypto research.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by ses1984 on Sunday December 22, 2019 @08:10AM (#21856949)
How do you suppose you're going to provide theoretical assurance of privacy and correctness without science?
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by nabla9 on Sunday December 22, 2019 @08:55AM (#21857105)
Maybe I'm wrong but I see this as applied vs fundamental, not "without science" issue.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by softwaredoug on Sunday December 22, 2019 @09:48AM (#21857357)
Right I agree. I mean to try to explain why so many go to this conference, not to criticize the conference itself.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by joshvm on Sunday December 22, 2019 @09:50AM (#21857368)
I had a workshop spotlight. Those sessions were generally a lot calmer.

A big problem was cramming hundreds of posters in one large space, with a relatively poor search experience (posters were kind of arbitrarily organised with some categories only having three or four entries). If they'd split them over both exhibition centres (or multiple rooms/floors), it might have calmed the crowds. Also since it was hard to know exactly where to look, there was a lot of wandering around.

There's also the heavy corporate side where people spent the evenings going to not-so-secret invite-only parties (lots of FOMO going on). Lots of jobs going, but ridiculous amount of competition now.

Despite that it was pretty friendly, and I had good results emailing people I wanted to chat to, and going to the socials.

Really the field needs to start publishing in journals again, and not obsessing over one or two mega-conferences each year. In other domains, there are huge congress events, but they're much more informal (eg EGU, 17k people).

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by fieldmeasure on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:04AM (#21856474)
I completely agree. I have been on ICCV this year (only 7500 participants) and found it really difficult to find people who I would like to talk to (e.g. because they had a nice presentation). The number of submissions has doubled since the last time (two years ago) [0]. It is just a constant overflow of information and the conference (including workshops, which were pretty good) lasted seven days. I think these ML/DL conferences need to be split up and specialize more to manage the interest.

[0] https://github.com/hoya012/ICCV-2019-Paper-Statistics

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by chillee on Sunday December 22, 2019 @11:48AM (#21858166)
Perhaps I'll provide a contrary view. I was also at Neurips, and I'm also a junior researcher. Yes, it was massive, and the poster sessions were crowded.

However, I was still able to talk to everybody I wanted to talk to - often for long periods of time. Many of them I sent emails to, and I was able to talk with everybody I wanted to (except 1), many who would be considered senior researchers.

Disseminating scientific ideas is really only one part of what a conference is meant to do. The other part is networking, and that was extremely valuable for me.

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by mesut32 on Saturday December 21, 2019 @09:42PM (#21854813)
Interesting to see the growth of PyTorch https://twitter.com/cHHillee/status/1195568939381776386
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by The_rationalist on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:48AM (#21856653)
Which bring so much software poverty... So many tasks have a state of the art accuracy only on tensorflow or only on pytorch. So now someone that actually care about accuracy must learn both frameworks instead of one but in practice, he will just not use the state of the art when not available which is just plain sad.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by 1_electron on Sunday December 22, 2019 @08:32AM (#21857035)
i understand why there would be differences wrt performance, ease of deployment, etc, but why would there be significant differences in model accuracy between tf and pyt? a matrix multiply is a matrix multiply, regardless of implementation...
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by ploika on Sunday December 22, 2019 @03:13PM (#21859348)
The matrix multiplications should be the same (down to floating point accuracy limitations) but there might be very slight differences in how things like random dropout or stochastic gradient descent work in one framework versus the other.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by amrrs on Saturday December 21, 2019 @08:05PM (#21854417)
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by panabee on Saturday December 21, 2019 @08:24PM (#21854495)
Website for searching NeurIPS papers: https://neurips2019exploration.herokuapp.com/

Not affiliated, just thought it was a helpful tool.

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by deepsun on Saturday December 21, 2019 @10:34PM (#21855005)
Not all papers are there. Seems like not all workshops posted their papers yet to NeurIPS Proceedings. E.g. none from Knowledge Representation workshop (https://neurips.cc/Conferences/2019/Schedule?showEvent=13169 )
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by panabee on Sunday December 22, 2019 @12:38AM (#21855423)
Any suggestions for an alternative way to search the papers?
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by The_rationalist on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:43AM (#21856637)
Is there any paper that advance the state of the art?
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by brailsafe on Sunday December 22, 2019 @01:24AM (#21855595)
I didn't even realize the conference was happening until my gf complained about the attendants of some ai conf downtown. Didn't quite realize how big it was.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by elcomet on Sunday December 22, 2019 @06:02AM (#21856469)
What did she complain about ?
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by chestervonwinch on Sunday December 22, 2019 @07:54AM (#21856888)
Probably the number of hyperparameters
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by brailsafe on Monday December 23, 2019 @01:35PM (#21865866)
Too many dweebs in the downtown hogging all the food court spots.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by cbames89 on Saturday December 21, 2019 @07:25PM (#21854240)
Dave's a great guy for doing this. I like to peruse his notes just to see what he thought was important.
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by fyp on Saturday December 21, 2019 @09:32PM (#21854766)
Were there any videos people thought was particularly worth watching?

Is this the right list? https://slideslive.com/neurips#!feed=popular

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by amrrs on Sunday December 22, 2019 @12:56AM (#21855502)
Celeste Kidd's one was highly spoke about
Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by thatsenough on Sunday December 22, 2019 @05:21AM (#21856314)
Which? Her technical talk on how humans learn [1], or her keynote address on sexual harassment and the #metoo movement? As far as I know, only the latter got a standing ovation.

[1] https://www.nips.cc/Conferences/2019/Schedule?showEvent=1548...

[2] https://fortune.com/2019/12/09/sexual-harassment-issues-high...

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by 0xcde4c3db on Sunday December 22, 2019 @10:05AM (#21857462)
The same talk [1] covers both topics. Part of her point is that they're related via people forming false beliefs about accusations of harassment (particularly men believing that they're at much greater risk of being accused than they actually are).

[1] https://slideslive.com/38921495/how-to-know

Re:NeurIPS 2019 Notes [pdf] by PL1 on Sunday December 22, 2019 @04:21AM (#21856117)
I have heard about it. Do you have a link? Thanks.