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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by pjmlp on Saturday November 16, 2019 @05:16AM (#21551930)
Yeah, let me know when PostgreSQL does distributed transactions across database clusters, or provides a proper development environment for stored procedures.

What about removing Oracle's devs contributions from Linux kernel?

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by zelphirkalt on Saturday November 16, 2019 @06:34AM (#21552129)
yawn There are other databases systems doing that, no need to depend on Oracle. For example: http://erlang.org/faq/mnesia.html which is also associated with a programming language known for its quality distributed computing.

Removing contributions to the Linux kernel? I don't think so. The kernel is free software and people contribute to it knowing that it is free software, so they cannot hold any code hostage. Once you release as free software, you give up that control.

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by kweinber on Saturday November 16, 2019 @07:20AM (#21552296)
I’ve never heard of anyone who actually uses mnesia for real or would consider it prime-time. I’m no Oracle fanboy but comparing their DB to mnesia is like comparing an oil rig driller to a fisher price screwdriver.
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by to11mtm on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:16PM (#21553682)
> never heard of anyone who actually uses mnesia for real

I didn't till I had to become one of them this year. Mnesia is real, it's prime time, but not in place of something like Oracle.

> comparing an oil rig driller to a fisher price screwdriver.

Better analogy would be Comparing SQL Server to Redis. Mnesia is, at it's heart, a(n optionally) Transactional K-V lookup that can be run distributed. It's use case it works VERY well, but I wouldn't consider it a substitute for Relational storage.

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Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by zelphirkalt on Saturday November 16, 2019 @08:25AM (#21552515)
Basically, as soon as something is released as free software, you must have the 4 freedoms: use, study, share, improve. This means, that it is not important, who contributed the code and what else they did, in the context of using that code in any of the 4 freedoms ways. It frees the code from the control of the creator in that sense and the creator cannot take it back. Anyone who releases as free software will give up such control. Oracle once having provided something to free software (My guess: They only did it because the GPL forced them to.) does not mean, that we have to like Oracle. These two things are not connected.

I am not sure about the state of Mnesia, however, I wrote, that it is an example. If I had found a Wikipedia list of DDBMS, I would have posted that. However, I am sure knowledgeable people will be able to name a few more.

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by Mountain_Skies on Saturday November 16, 2019 @06:30AM (#21552115)
Are corporate open source contributions the new blood money?
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by pjmlp on Saturday November 16, 2019 @07:43AM (#21552387)
Linux would hardly gotten where it is without the contributions from everyone getting paychecks from IBM, Intel, Oracle, NVidia, AMD, Apple, Sony, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Huawei, Samsung among many others.

Which is kind of ironic, hate them, but then willing accepting whatever comes from them, 'cause hey it is free.

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by xiphias2 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @10:54AM (#21553224)
You could also say that Google wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Linux, as they really depended on lots of cheap hardware and software. Humans are connected, which is a great thing (that what makes us human).
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by pjmlp on Sunday November 17, 2019 @02:26AM (#21556948)
Sure, I guess hating them today, and tomorrow gladly accepting whatever they release 'cause its gratis, is also human behaviour.
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by shrimp_emoji on Saturday November 16, 2019 @03:17PM (#21554694)
pjmlp: Bad People Can't Do Good Things Andy
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by pjmlp on Sunday November 17, 2019 @02:23AM (#21556943)
They certainly can do good things and even change.

What is schizophrenic is having a community that hates big corporations, but happily takes anything they decide to offer,

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by russler23 on Sunday November 17, 2019 @08:30PM (#21561252)
There are many conflations in these statements of yours, but one of the more offensive is that corporations are responsible for an individual's open-source contributions because that individual draws a paycheck for something else. What's the corporate equivalent of a bootlicker? An NDA-licker?
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by pjmlp on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:17AM (#21562495)
What I don't get is how someone can hate companies like Oracle, wish that they would disapeer out of the face of the earth, and at the same time jump of joy when a couple of lines get added to the Linux kernel, by the corporation they want to nuke.
Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by ferzul on Sunday November 17, 2019 @05:14AM (#21557281)
if they offer it under gpl, it's no poison chalice. why do i care who does the right thing? what's good is good.

i would be more worried when they propose that we all abandon this adequate gpl tool for this permissive licensed code they seriously didn't write, but here's ten fantastic contributions they made.

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by pjmlp on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:20AM (#21562503)
It is not about being a posion chalice, rather the attitude of wanting to nuke company X, while accepting whatever it gives as gratis contributions.

I only see that among FOSS folks, seldom among other kinds of activism.

Re:Supreme Court to Hear Google-Oracle Copyright Fight by monocasa on Monday November 18, 2019 @12:44PM (#21566331)
Because of the nature of the GPL. You don't get those guarantees in most other forms of activism.