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Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by basch on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:02PM (#21547661)
Part of Prime is getting you to give them $120 membership fee so you feel youre getting some kind of bonus buying from them ("free shipping") which reduces comparison shopping. I'm probably not going to buy $100/year memberships to costco, walmart, amazon, and target, even though im half way there and really tempted to pull the trigger on another.

The membership fees almost pay for themselves just in preventing me from going into the store and impulse buying something on a shelf once a month.

As far as Amazon Prime, I have to believe the price of shipping is built into the products, and the membership is for other psychological and behavior control reasons.

Is part of this social network price the same thing. A cost to make it exclusive, acts as a bit of a spam filter. Then after having sunk money into it, you feel the need to make it worthwhile. I never think "ive been watching too much prime I better get my value out of netflix this month" but a communication tool might be different.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ansible on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:36PM (#21547994)
I feel that Costco is worth it just based on bulk-buying toilet paper, dish detergent, and such.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by paulddraper on Friday November 15, 2019 @04:54PM (#21549195)
I have Costco premium or whatever the highest one is.

Consistently great quality + deals.

Right now they're selling a Costco-sized box of 1,500 Legos for $40.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by munificent on Friday November 15, 2019 @06:19PM (#21549727)
> a Costco-sized box of 1,500 Legos for $40.

Man, you can't just put information like this out there. I can't be trusted with this knowledge.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by godelski on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:21PM (#21549373)
Also get the executive. At the end of the year you get back 2% or $60, whichever is higher. So if you can front the extra $60, there's no reason to not do it.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by basch on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:06PM (#21549943)
To get the up to $60 refund you have to quit the executive program. You dont get the difference every year, AND get to keep making 2%.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ansible on Saturday November 16, 2019 @08:51PM (#21556073)
Yeah, I've been eyeing that as a good gift for family. Or myself. I like the old-school stuff that isn't tied to movies or whatever.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by Marsymars on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:19PM (#21550008)
I live in a small place so don't buy much in bulk, but pay for at least half my Costco membership in toothbrush heads alone.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ClayM on Friday November 15, 2019 @08:20PM (#21550316)
we spent enough there that our rebate pays for the membership heh
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by basch on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:07PM (#21549949)
Is this kind of bulk really much cheaper than walmart?
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by lotsofpulp on Saturday November 16, 2019 @04:32AM (#21551794)
Yes, and Walmart has a lower quality/price ratio. And people at Costco are nice to communicate with. And Costco treats them well.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by wtmt on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:15PM (#21547795)
I agree with you on the Amazon Prime membership triggering impulse purchases, stickiness with the one day or two day deliveries and of course, shipping built into the products' prices. But Amazon Prime video here (in India) has a lot of local content and gets many new movies quickly onto it. My assessment is that Prime Video is probably a bigger attraction for people here (perhaps with Prime Music) than two day shipping alone (which is not very widely available on many products).
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by basch on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:19PM (#21547841)
The one nice thing about Prime vs Prime video, is they advertise both prices separately, so we can at least get a peak at what percent of the prime cost amazon thinks video is worth. We know they arent selling Video by itself at a loss, it wouldnt make sense to give away video as a loss leader, if you arent snagging people elsewhere.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by distances on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:23PM (#21549389)
I agree Amazon Prime is a trap. Without it the free shipping starts at around €29. That alone makes me bundle my purchases, which hinders impulse buying.

Based on observing Prime members I feel most people would be much better off without the subscription.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by periya on Saturday November 16, 2019 @01:22AM (#21551315)
This exact reason has helped me stop frivolous purchases as soon as I discontinued my prime membership.

I hate paying for shipping and most of the time the items in my cart are < $25 at which point I ask myself if I really need this item. If I really need it, I go to the target/Wal-Mart near my place since they always price match. Not renewing my prime membership has been by very liberating!

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by billfruit on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:19PM (#21547836)
100$s? Amazon prime membership is 1000rs per year, which is less than 14$ a year.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by basch on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:31PM (#21547960)
USA prices.

Amazon $119, 5% cash back on Amazon CC, Prime Now has minimums, includes Whole Foods, has music and video included. Video is $108 by itself.

Walmart Grocery $98. (their CC is a 1 year bonus, not forever)

Costco $60-120 (120 price gets you 2% yearly cash back.)

Target Shipt $99, 5% back on Redcard, free Debit Redcard is all thats needed for free standard shipping, shipt is for same day like Now.

At the moment upgrading from 2day/nextday to same day costs around $100/year.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by sridharpoduri on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:28PM (#21548423)
Newspaper prices are offset by advertising costs. It costs a bomb to advertise in newspapers and those are the primary revenue drivers for the newspaper publisher. In the case of Amazon, they are interested in you. You are the primary customer providing them will data points to feed their advertising business. Again, subsidize the cost of Prime membership but get folks to give up data in return. Prime no longer is about hassle free shipping. Prime serves as a vehicle to gobble up all kinds of data to serve their ad business. This is how i look at Amazon and Prime.

Netflix is in the content delivery business, for now. Hence they have to charge full price. If, and when their business model changes to become advertisement driven, you will see changes in the prices charged to end users.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by garmaine on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:23PM (#21547871)
Lucky you. In the US it is $119/yr.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ryanmercer on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:32PM (#21547967)
Gotta be smart, I think Amazon technically paid me to have prime one year and this year I've negatived a good chunk of it. Any time they have the 1$ digital credit for delay shipping I select it which then subsidizes a good chunk of my eBook purchases. I think I've had 4$ in credit just this week and have another 1$ I'll get whenever the 5$ shoehorn I ordered yesterday ships.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by hombre_fatal on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:37PM (#21548003)
This post shows how smart Amazon's Prime strategy is. We have someone probably spending thousands of dollars with Amazon (and Amazon taking a good chunk of that in commission) bragging about getting some free ebooks.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ryanmercer on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:56PM (#21548174)
Spending money I'd spend at a brick and mortar store, that I'd have to drive to using oil life/tire life/gasoline/brake pad life/brake rotor life while also losing time.

Instead, I can think "oh hey I need to get a shoe horn, the heels on the uppers of the slip-ons I wear to church are getting funky" or "ah crap, I forgot to stop and get a new belt on the way home and this one is getting pretty loose on the last notch and I don't think this synthetic material is going to be happy if I punch a new hole" or "instead of driving to 6 stores hoping to find filters for my air purifier, I can buy 2 on Amazon right here on the toilet and be good for the next 2 years" and "my xlear nasal spray is about empty here at work and this heat is really drying my nose out, I'll just order another now instead of waiting until I go to the grocery Saturday" and "I need another USB C cable, this one is starting to get pretty stressed, I'll order one on Amazon instead of driving miles out of my way to go to Walmart or Best Buy hoping they have one".

Those are this week's purchases. All things I needed, all things I would have had to buy somewhere, all things I got a 1$ credit for which I will use towards eBooks I would have purchased either way.

Or last week when I ordered a tofu press, I have no idea where to buy a tofu press in the real world but wasting gobs of paper towels and using books just wasn't doing it for me.

It's not like I opened Amazon in a moment of boredom and said "let's see what I should waste money on today".

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by com2kid on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:31PM (#21549441)
> oh hey I need to get a shoe horn,

Related, I went to buy a shoe stretcher on Amazon. Had to buy 3 before I got one that wasn't complete garbage.

I'd have gone to someplace local but none of the local places have much inventory for quality goods anymore either...

For me Amazon is still a net win in regards to convenience, but there are a lot of things I just won't buy.

Heck for a little while earlier this year the official Sonicare page was somehow taken over by people selling knock-off replacement heads, all the links from the manufacturers verified page went to obviously fraudulent misspelled products.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ryanmercer on Monday November 18, 2019 @09:30AM (#21564530)
>For me Amazon is still a net win in regards to convenience, but there are a lot of things I just won't buy.

Yeah for me it's mostly books (digital and physical), Amazon basics stuff and stuff I can't get anywhere locally (that I know of) like a tofu press or hard to counterfeit stuff like my televisions/an iPad Air 2/my reconditioned vitamix.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by sridharpoduri on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:23PM (#21548385)
And those are e-books that the buyer does not own for ever. Amazon can remove the e-books from its catalog anytime without prior notice.
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by ryanmercer on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:24PM (#21548390)
Oh, I own them forever. You can strip DRM with Calibre via plugins or worst case you can print to PDF from inside Calibre with your Kindle connected.

https://calibre-ebook.com/

Besides, I don't think I've ever re-read an eBook. If I think I'll refer to something again I buy it in print.

Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by bpodgursky on Friday November 15, 2019 @03:57PM (#21548684)
The only time Amazon has done that, the buyers were refunded (and that's not just Bezos being polite, that's a meaningful legal obligation if it's a purchase).
Re: Jimmy Wales has quietly launched a Facebook rival by blondin on Friday November 15, 2019 @05:21PM (#21549374)
oh wow!! can't amazon create a social network of buyers?