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Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by nealdt on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:53AM (#21522782)
Also nice reminder about that lovely photo of Zuck with a sticker covering up his webcam. Now why would he do something like that ... ?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by have_faith on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:55AM (#21522796)
Because he's much more likely to be targeted than any of us for things like that?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by jackhack on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:12AM (#21524987)
“ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL / BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.”
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by ic4l on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:59AM (#21523126)
Not sure who downvoted you. But I agree 100% with this, he is a high value target.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by semiotagonal on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:22AM (#21525874)
I feel like a high value target to me, though. If the environment is untrustworthy enough for Zuckerberg to defend himself against it, he should consider his own role in making it that way.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by ic4l on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @02:22PM (#21528318)
But the truth is you should always treat your environment as untrustworthy. I don't think you should deduct him points for blocking his webcam.

It is an ADDITIONAL privacy step. He runs a company with thousands of employees, and with any company like that you never know if someone may decide to become a bad actor, and physically compromise him.

But yeah lets continue to hate on facebook.

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by semiotagonal on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:02PM (#21532407)
> But yeah lets continue to hate on facebook.

Yes, because they're voracious collectors people's personal information. We can hate on "bad actors" as well, we don't have to choose one or the other. But as long as Facebook is behaving creepily, whether deliberately or inadvertently, let's hate on them. There is no reason to tolerate their mistakes.

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Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by kd5bjo on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:08AM (#21523577)
Nothing is preventing you from putting a sticker over your webcam, just like Zuck does.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:23AM (#21523674)
Or I can close my eyes and imagine that nothing happened

Result will be the same

Stickers do not work - because people around you do not put it too magically

And what even sillier - that someone have phone with installed fb app in 2k19

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by dylan604 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:02AM (#21524868)
Why are you concerned if someone else does/doesn't do something? You can only control your own actions. Not protecting yourself by covering your webcam because the majority of others do not is not sound logic. I have a bright pink piece of tape over mine, and it is always a conversation starter. I have seen later that many people do wind up covering their webcam. It's not a 100% conversion rate, but it is definitely > 0%.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:21AM (#21525081)
Why someone want defend corporations? Especially those which breaking law

What motivations of such people?

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:14AM (#21525766)
Who here is defending "corporations" (by which I assume you mean corporate bad behavior)? Do you think Facebook and their ilk are the only actors who might want to hijack the cameras on your devices?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:24PM (#21527531)
There is no good corporate behavior

>Who here is defending "corporations"

dylan604 try to change focus of attention.

This is type of manipulation. And in this context, this is defence

>Do you think Facebook and their ilk are the only actors who might want to hijack the cameras on your devices?

Nope. But for some reason fb can't do QA. At all

And this do most of the work for other "actors"

Why this happens?

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by dylan604 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:27PM (#21529129)
wait, what? i am not defending evil corp at all. IMO, my comment about covering the camera on your device is purely self-defense because evil corp can't be trusted. how you can twist my self-defense suggestion as defending evil corp's decision to nefariously use the webcam is some serious bending of logic
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:38AM (#21535661)
> dylan604 try to change focus of attention.

> This is type of manipulation. And in this context, this is defence

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by lawlessone on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:40AM (#21523805)
>Stickers do not work

They do though.

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:08AM (#21524171)
They do if everyone put it

Do everyone put it?

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by wlesieutre on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:41AM (#21524591)
No one else has a computer in my bedroom
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:47AM (#21524679)
So your neighbors with hires full spectrum light camera pointed at your windows does not count

Mhhh, okay

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by wlesieutre on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:12AM (#21524983)
If I were Mark Zuckerberg, the sticker is the solution to my laptop camera, and buying up all of the adjacent houses is the solution to neighbors

http://money.com/money/4346766/mark-zuckerberg-houses/

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:28AM (#21525169)
But you are not him

And you still need to control your data

And you can't do that now effectively

And if people will defend corporations and hide its fu we will newer live in better world

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by pc86 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:50AM (#21523917)
This is an intentional misreading of the parent comment and does not belong on this forum. Zuck being a high value target for extortion/exploitation/attack is an objective fact. Saying so doesn't imply that anyone else is "low value" - attackers will attack whoever and whatever they can to achieve their goal, which is almost always money.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:19AM (#21524326)
If it is misleading then first priority of fb is defending privacy and user data at all costs.

Everyone, not just one person

Nice

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:18AM (#21525823)
Other than not using them themselves (which, just to be clear, they absolutely should not be doing), how is Facebook supposed to protect everyone from remote camera takeovers?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by 9dl on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:30PM (#21527611)
Do QA

Do a security properly

Do a code for security

Do QA properly

Do not hide thing like Cambridge Analytica

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by goatinaboat on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:05AM (#21522849)
In a building he owns, on a network he owns, defended by an army of network engineers he employs?

No, he’s not protecting himself from any external threat.

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:05AM (#21523550)
This is common practice among US government employees as well. The fact that Zuck does it as well doesn't say anything about Facebook's practices WRT their users.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by goatinaboat on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:27PM (#21526763)
This is common practice among US government employees as well

Sure, but they are protecting themselves from the Russian hackers that are in all the US government networks. Zuck is protecting himself from Facebook itself.

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by icebraining on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:49AM (#21523066)
Couldn't he just tell that army to add an exception for his account?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by dewey on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:14PM (#21527387)
What about taking the laptop outside of the office? Doesn’t seem like a crazy thing to do.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by mic47 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:15AM (#21522903)
Ever heard about 0days?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:09AM (#21523585)
I do it. My wife does it. My sister does it. The cameras at Bloomberg all had shutters, and I used it there as well. It's just good (paranoid?) OPSEC to defend against remote takeover exploits.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by pc86 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:48AM (#21523895)
How does tape over a camera prevent remote takeover specifically?
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:10AM (#21525705)
It doesn't, obviously, and I never said it did. It prevents the camera from being used to surreptitiously record useful information when a machine has been remotely compromised. It's the same reason nothing with a transmitter is permitted in classified areas without specific authorization. Preventing a remote takeover is effectively impossible, but these steps reduce the usefulness of such an action (which is part of the defense against them).
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by pc86 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:36PM (#21526927)
> > > It's just good (paranoid?) OPSEC to defend against remote takeover exploits.

> > > [Camera shutters are] just good (paranoid?) OPSEC to defend against remote takeover exploits.

> > > [Camera shutters are] ... good ... [defense] against remote takeover exploits.

Clearly I misunderstood your intent, but the comment does seem to indicate what I thought.

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by vonmoltke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:10PM (#21530803)
Nothing there says or indicates anything about preventing takeovers. Preventing is a strict subset of defending against.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by josephv on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:26AM (#21525921)
Physical controls can be as effective as technical.
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Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by dang on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:16PM (#21530255)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebaity comments to Hacker News?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by remarkEon on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:09AM (#21524949)
I absolutely hate this sentiment.

Technical people know about this stuff, and designed it to trick people who don't know about it into thinking it's benign. But sure blame the user. Seems to be a favored go-to for Facebook.

Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by Jill_the_Pill on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:31AM (#21525213)
Turning off one's microphone is not so uniformly easy that failing to do so justifies the epithet "stupid." Sometimes you can only deny permission to use the microphone, not turn it off entirely. Sometimes permissions are reset in an update. With several devices on different platforms, it can be hard to keep track. And then, others around you may have their microphones on, and voice recognition seems to work.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by HeadsUpHigh on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:38AM (#21526049)
Do you realize that every microphone I have is basically embedded in the devices? I can't turn off -temporarily- my laptop's microphone or my phone's.
Re:Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent c... by jasonvorhe on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:18PM (#21526639)
This is arrogance and it shouldn't belong here.