Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by steve19 on Monday November 04, 2019 @12:51AM
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Like with sovereign bond defaulters or countries who have nationalised US owned assets: they would get sued in US courts. US courts would freeze and/or confiscate Saudi assets. Saudi Princes might find yatchs, private planes and super cars start getting impounded wherever lawsuits can be filed.
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Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by darkteflon on Monday November 04, 2019 @01:21AM
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The Saudis engaged in a widely-publicised example of state-sanctioned murder of a US journalist last year with limited repercussions. I’d think twice before trusting in the rule of law where our politically expedient friends are concerned.
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by twic on Monday November 04, 2019 @03:12AM
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Right, but in the US, there's a big difference between murdering someone and taking investors' money.
Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by m0zg on Monday November 04, 2019 @02:17AM
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Khashoggi wasn't a "US journalist" or a US citizen. He was a Saudi citizen, and he was killed on foreign soil. As despicable as the events were, let's not lose track of the facts here.
WaPo calls him a "Saudi journalist and author": https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jamal-khashoggi/
If you're appalled by this murder, do recall that our lord and savior Barack Obama droned US citizens he didn't like without trial in Yemen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
So I'd say such extrajudicial executions are about par for the course for nation states.
Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by lostlogin on Monday November 04, 2019 @02:30AM
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Hit squads with bone saws sawing people up in their embassies are not par for the course. This was an extreme event. Drone striking ones citizens is extreme too.
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by m0zg on Monday November 04, 2019 @02:33AM
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Sure (assuming "bone saws" aren't made up by the Turks - they've never actually been demonstrated). But be that as it may, we're hardly fit to lecture others from our high horse.
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by lostlogin on Monday November 04, 2019 @12:41PM
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> But be that as it may, we're hardly fit to lecture others from our high horse.
Could you explain this? Why can’t a group claim moral superiority for not butchering people? And what grouping of people does ‘we’ refer to?
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by m0zg on Monday November 04, 2019 @02:08PM
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United States. It was suggested that the US should sever ties with SA to protest the killing.
Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by darkteflon on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:54AM
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No one suggested that. Let’s not lose track of the facts here. The original point was about whether Saudi Arabia is a rule of law jurisdiction; it is not and potential investors might do well to keep that in mind.
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by lostlogin on Monday November 04, 2019 @02:35PM
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Ah, thanks. That’s a ‘we’ I am not part of.
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by simonh on Monday November 04, 2019 @03:13AM
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It looks like the actual target of the drone was the Egyptian al-Banna. In any case, IMHO either you are able to target active terrorists without judicial overview or you're not, whatever their citizenship. I'm a Brit, so no skin in that particular issue, but for the record I have no problem with British jihadists that joined ISIS getting bombed. They made their choice.
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Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by simonh on Monday November 04, 2019 @11:56PM
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The Jihadis are murderous terrorists actively killing and sexually enslaving people. Khashogi was a journalist, and a very brave, honest and ethical one from what I can tell. I don’t see the similarity.
Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by throwaway2048 on Monday November 04, 2019 @01:37AM
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They might find that a completely acceptable tradeoff for hundreds of billions of dollars. Believing the Saudi government cares about the rule of law is a questionable proposition at best.
Re:Saudi Aramco: The message from the world’s biggest and wi...
by rolltiide on Monday November 04, 2019 @01:08AM
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This is only listing on Riyadh’s stock exchange
Good luck with jumping through all those hoops to invest and expecting recourse
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by ChainOfFools on Monday November 04, 2019 @01:40AM
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what would prevent it from getting rolled up in an ETF and listed on, say, Nasdaq?
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by throwaway2048 on Monday November 04, 2019 @01:44AM
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that does nothing to protect the underlying asset.