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Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by mdorazio on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:38PM (#21389882)
Same as last year. High-dividend stocks and ETFs. Everything else (including my rental property) is a lot less "passive" than most people think.
Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by Blackstone4 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @01:41PM (#21389914)
My personal opinion is that retail investors love dividend stocks and they are more expensive than non-dividend stocks.

Further to this, I have strong preference for firms which re-invest their cash flow resulting in capital gains which is much more tax efficient than a dividend.

Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by anonu on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:14PM (#21390346)
I think retail guys love div stocks because they don't realize that when a div gets paid the stock price drops by the same amount. You wont't believe how many people think its just "free money". You even see strategies where people buy the stock before ex-date and sell after. Bonkers.

I would agree with you that div stocks are more expensive on a Price-to-Earnings basis. Check this comparison: https://pages.etflogic.io/?compare=DVY|SPY|XLU

High yield (3%+) div ETFs like DVY and XLU are trading near 25 P/Es whereas the S&P is closer to at 22 PE yielding just above 1%.

As interest rates tick down people look for income/yield. So high div stocks get bid up because of this

Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by Sohcahtoa82 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:51PM (#21392474)
Could you make money by buying a div stock a bit of time before the dividends are distributed, but then sell BEFORE dividends, then short it until after dividends and people sell?
Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by anonu on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @06:31PM (#21392812)
Good remark. I always tell people that a trade exists because a trade exists. In this case you're trying to game the "dumb" money. Question is how much alpha is there? If any, is it arbitraged out by people who have made the same observation as you? So something that worked in a backtest may cease to work when you implement it.

Stock splits are famously positive alpha events. The mere fact that a stock has now become more "affordable" because of a lower per share price causes people to buy it. But I don't think any professional investor in their right mind would trade such a strategy.

The pre ex date div strategy you suggest may be more relevant because there's a higher frequency of events. The effect may be more pronounced in more "retail" investor focused names. I wouldn't trade it in its own. But maybe group it together with a suite of other signals in a stat arb like strategy.

Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by hrez on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @03:26AM (#21395310)
If you short on div.date you are paying the dividend.
Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by mdorazio on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:35PM (#21392318)
I don’t disagree, but the question was specifically about passive income. Buying and selling stocks isn’t what I would consider passive income since it’s not recurring. As with most things, there’s a tradeoff for the payout schedule. I’m perfectly willing to take the small total return hit in exchange for regular cash injections I can use for other things.

Of course, my portfolio is more than just dividend stocks, but it’s a good passive income source.

Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by zer0tonin on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:03PM (#21390195)
> My personal opinion is that retail investors love dividend stocks and they are more expensive than non-dividend stocks.

This is absolutely not true, there's plenty of stocks around here with low P/E ratio and dividends. You just have to look outside of tech to find them.

Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by Blackstone4 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @03:23PM (#21391064)
I made a generalization so there will be counter examples and I appreciate that some stocks/sectors will have attractive dividends. I would put REITs in the expensive dividend-focused sector...

The main issue I have with a dividend paying stock is that they pay corporation tax and then I pay income tax on the dividend....with a group which re-invest its earnings, I do not pay income tax on that and if I need cash, I can sell stock and pay capital gains tax at a lower rate.

The main issue with dividend stocks is that when the dividend gets cut there's forced seller by the dividend ETFs and stared retail investors so the drop in share price gets exacerbated which is unfortunate.

Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by twobat on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:27PM (#21390501)
Examples?
Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by tres on Friday November 01, 2019 @03:10PM (#21422624)
kr & wba are two that have what I consider a good P/E and a good dividend.
Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by starlightfury on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @02:57PM (#21390773)
STWD
Re:Ask HN: What is your passive income 2019? by hrez on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @03:32AM (#21395334)
it's REIT, with all the tax etc implications