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Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by christophilus on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:08AM (#21322695)
I’m genuinely curious how this happens. I remember my first job in the industry, just out of university. I knew nothing about security, but still wouldn’t have done that. My first gig was in a credit union software company, and the security standards were nonexistent, yet we still had more reasonable passwords than this (which sounds like an installation default).
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by gnrlst on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:11AM (#21322714)
I'll tell you how this happens:

Colleague #1: "What password shall we set?"

Colleague #2: "Just leave it default for now as we're still testing, we will change it later".

Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by bouncycastle on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:30AM (#21322836)
Colleague #3: "Sounds good to me. We're behind the firewall and the NIC used for Dell iDRAC or HP iLO is on an isolated network unique to the physical datacenter. Remote access for our techs is managed through a secured bridge that requires all sorts of security hoops on our company intranet, and remote access for general internet traffic is not available due to the firewall restrictions. There's no way hackers will get through that in the first place."
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by Legogris on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:40AM (#21322900)
Colleague #4-20: Build various integrations to database, all with their own ways of storing credentials.

Colleague #2: "It's really past due time to change the database password, but first we have to make sure all critical systems can still access the database."

Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by bloopernova on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:25AM (#21323316)
Which is why forward planning and prompt action is worth so much.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but I've seen some worrying attitudes of "just in time" that seem to go hand in hand with a misunderstanding of Scrum Sprints or Kanban. Where people concentrate on the tree and ignore the vast interconnected forest around them.

Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by dspillett on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:57AM (#21323617)
Hence the old adage: days of work can save you hours of planning.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by elisharobinson on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:39AM (#21324097)
manager: why is it taking so long to deploy a simple cluster. back in my day we could code a whole ...
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by peterkelly on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:32AM (#21323386)
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by merhard on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:02AM (#21323109)
nice meme
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by notzuck on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:43AM (#21322931)
Excellent use of copy paste from another thread. Upvote!
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by avip on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:56AM (#21323060)
Good ol' "temporary permanent" solution.

https://stackoverflow.com/a/778275

Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by Phillips126 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:36AM (#21323418)
Thank you for that funny read, lots of great comments!
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by rjkennedy98 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @02:46PM (#21327195)
You would be shocked at how nonchalant and downright negligent people can be about security at even the largest companies in the US. I did consulting work at a large insurance company that had the contact information, ssn, and PHI of pretty much everyone in the America (and I mean everyone). I lost track of the number of times people checked in the production password into git. In fact our production cassandra instance still was using the default cert password 'changeit' when I left. Unsurprisingly, this company was filled with contract workers and H1B workers that were barely able (if at all) to get their work done.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by nonconvergent on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:00PM (#21325207)
Colleague #437: "So whoever first set this up has left, so I'll just follow the documentation they left to figure out what they did... Oh. ...eh, I got a deadline."
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by Nokinside on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:51AM (#21323007)
Security is a cost and nuisance. It's the first thing to be cut.

To keep high security at all times you need:

1) Process aka bureaucracy. Mandatory checklists. Checklists are returned and inspected by others. Anything missing or uncertain is checked again and fixed.

2) People who are responsible for security are independent from other concerns. They can have adversarial relationship with people responsible for getting things done if there is conflict of interest. People responsible for security must have status and power to enforce it.

Consider a scenario where you need to take the system down and fix something quickly. It's completely reasonable to allow dummy password few hours when people are around fixing the problem until the system is back online.

But if there is no process in place to remove security temporarily and then restore it something is always forgotten. People who would order password to be changed is not using it and forgets the whole thing. People who use it don't say anything and it becomes new normal.

You need to mandate checklists. You force people to use them and return them. It's costly and makes things slower.

Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by dredmorbius on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:17AM (#21323255)
I'd love to see a list of organisations at which these practices are the norm.

Dealing with standard practices, most especially violations of your #2, have contributed in large part to my getting off this ride.

Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by ngneer on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:40AM (#21324909)
True. The market cannot reward what it cannot see.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by madiathomas on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:17AM (#21322761)
Pressure from the higher ups to release to production can force you to dump all the IT security knowledge you accumulated over the years.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by asdfman123 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:18AM (#21323260)
It sounds like you aren't lazy and negligent -- not everyone is like you, unfortunately.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by GoToRO on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:43AM (#21322928)
Usually they rely on some other mechanism for security. Like you can only access the portal admin page from the intranet or a few IP addresses. That has failed, not the fact that they didn't change the password.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by notzuck on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:44AM (#21322941)
Security only really works in layers. So yes, the password should have been changed too.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by yreg on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:51AM (#21323011)
I'd say that both of those mechanisms failed.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by chapium on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @09:33AM (#21323390)
This happens when a 3rd party is asked to install a system and the first party never takes ownership of securing it.
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by avodonosov on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:58AM (#21323081)
What passwords you used?
Re:Equifax securities fraud class action [pdf] by plausibilities on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:51AM (#21323001)
People in wealthy gated communities often don't lock their front doors. Similar principle.