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Re:Firefox is getting language translation by hans1729 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:06AM (#21321572)
Wow, I didn't think that people actually use on-site-translation.

I know that translation became a lot better (using deepl [0] personally, check it out if you haven't heard of it!) in recent years, but on-site-translation always seemed quite goofy to me.

I wonder if this caters more to a broader (elder) audience, making Firefox more attractive to less tech-affine folks? Seems like a critical feature for "your grantparents computer", doesn't it?

[0] https://www.deepl.com/translator

Re:Firefox is getting language translation by jplayer01 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:37AM (#21321756)
I'm not sure why you'd come to the conclusion that nobody uses on-site translation. Have you never visited a non-English site that you wanted to read/navigate but couldn't? Even if the translation isn't perfect, or even great, it's better than understanding 0 words and it's more than enough to navigate a page or to capture the essence of an article. It isn't a daily occurrence for me, but it happens often enough that I'm glad that this is happening. Switching to Chrome just for that was annoying.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by romanovcode on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:23AM (#21322029)
My guess is that he/she is from US and never has the need to visit non-US websites.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by reustle on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:14AM (#21321618)
As someone living in Japan without a deep grasp of Kanji characters, I use on-site translations 10s of times per day.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by vertex-four on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:42AM (#21321792)
Being based in Europe, I use on-site translation all the time when looking at things in other countries near me - not everything is translated into English.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by mrweasel on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:11AM (#21321959)
Honestly I hope Mozilla will allow me to disable onsite translation to the point where I wouldn't know it's available.

I'm sure it's a nice feature to lots of people, but I never want to see it. It's just another annoyance that I don't wish to deal with. Dealing with multiple language is still something browsers and websites struggle with. Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE.

Much more useful feature, for my use case, would be language detection of input fields, so I don't have to switch between dictionaries to get the right spellchecker.

Re:Firefox is getting language translation by Aeolun on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:53AM (#21322179)
> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE.

Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

Re:Firefox is getting language translation by jplayer01 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:26AM (#21322407)
Funny. I have the opposite problem. I have a German IP, my OS/region/locale is set to American English, and sites regularly give me the German version even if I don't want/need it and even if I've previously been to the site and set it to English. MDN is the biggest offender for me right now because I use it nearly every day, and every single time I go to the damn site it's in German and I don't want it in German.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by reportgunner on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:38AM (#21322482)
Simple: give me a popup the first time it is not clear what language I want content in. Put a don't ask me ever again tickbox on this popup.

I will click No, keep content language and tick don't ask me ever again and be super happy.

If you really want me to like you, put a tickbox in the settings so I can save this as default into my other browsers (that don't use cookies / don't save data)

Thank you !

Re:Firefox is getting language translation by unhammer on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:28AM (#21322425)
I would expect/hope setting intl.accept_languages to include "da,sv,en" to be enough to make it stop translating those (in about:config or through the GUI)
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by mrweasel on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:34AM (#21322457)
I have no way of judging the correctness of any given translation of a language I can't already read, so I would prefer that the browser doesn't do any automatic translation. Personally I would prefer to not be able to read the content of a site, compared to getting a translation that may be wrong, even if it's clearly indicated that it's an automated translation.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by mrweasel on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:31AM (#21322440)
Because it's very much site dependent what language I want. I don't expect the browser to transmit ANY kind of language information to the site.

For instance I never want the Danish version of Wikipedia, but I do want the Danish version of a Danish news site, or the Swedish version of a Swedish website. There's no real way to indicate those preferences to the browser, so it would be best if it never try to deal with language.

Re:Firefox is getting language translation by Aeolun on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:34AM (#21324028)
If you have exceptions for certain websites, isn’t it still better for the browser to tell the website in the 90% of other cases?
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by kzrdude on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @03:19PM (#21327515)
I have some "advanced" language settings, but they are almost always ignored. For example google search ignores it and uses some kind of geolocation to decide what languages I want my search results from.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by heafield on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:09PM (#21349198)
Hi, I run the Bergamot project adding this function. We're planning to launch as an add-on or plug-in experience.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by Moru on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:40AM (#21322901)
Old browsers could be set as eng, swe, no, dk or some such. Serving up English if available, otherwise fallback. Is this not possible any more?
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by Crinus on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:52AM (#21321847)
I do not see the association between elder audiences and on-site translation. Let's say you are a techie and you understand zero Polish yet you got a job in Poland and you want to buy some equipment for your computer from https://www.x-kom.pl/ - how would you do it without on-site translation?

I'm in that situation and i pretty much use Chrome exclusively for on-site translation.

Re:Firefox is getting language translation by lifthrasiir on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:14AM (#21321615)
I use on-site machine translation a lot. In fact, I even use that for languages I do understand---at the reduced rate though, alleviating my mental overhead. Of course, you always have to understand that the machine translation can go off and both the common sense and the domain knowledge (including even the tiniest bit of knowledge about the source language) are important.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by yoavm on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:32AM (#21321722)
Not heaving in-page translation is the main reason my friends wouldn't switch to Firefox. It's also why I sometimes launch Chrome. Living in a foreign country, you often you have to login and fill in forms in a language you don't know. Being able to translate the whole page in place is extremely useful.
Re:Firefox is getting language translation by heafield on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:27PM (#21349375)
Bergamot has an entire work package devoted to helping you fill out forms in a language you don't speak, while being confident that your answers are correct. We're testing out concepts here: https://github.com/zouharvi/ptakopet .