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Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by miranda_rights on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:16PM (#21316097)
I had a similar reaction when I lived in Austin. I'd walk down 6th street (one of the streets with active nightlife) and bars would leave their doors open with air conditioning blasting out onto the sidewalk. I still don't understand it - it just seems so wasteful.
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by zone411 on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:18PM (#21319432)
They probably think that open doors look welcoming, you can hear the music playing inside, which might attract people walking by, and just that if others are doing it around your bar then you should do it too unless you want to appear closed.
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by A_Parr on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:03PM (#21319699)
Cold air blowing out the doorway onto passersby is just as inviting as the music.
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by gambiting on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:31PM (#21316259)
Is it really that different(energy-wise) than heating the outdoors in winter? Like when restaurants have gas heaters next to tables so you can comfortably sit outside even in freezing temperatures - how is this different?
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by dredmorbius on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:57PM (#21316567)
The specific instance in Qatar's case is in providing AC to a stadium, apparently covered, if not entirely contained, and taking advantage of temperature-induced differential density to apply cooling only to where people actually are, rather than the entire enclosed space.

Which might actually be more efficient than equivalent practices of conditioning all interior stadium air in the US.

A difference between outdoor radiant heating (which I also find immensely wasteful) and outdoor AC is that radiant heat, erm, radiates, so you're only providing a sufficiently warm blackbody, and not attempting to change the temperature of an entire space. Surface temperatures (including skin) are increased by radiant heat, but air temps are not: a campfire will warm your hands and face, but not all the surroundings. Since cold isn't similarly radiant, there's no equivalent mechanism.

What this translates to in terms of Joules or kWh per meter-degree of thermal variance for heating vs. cooling, I'm not sure.

Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by shsjxjbsbs on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:07PM (#21316692)
When heating you usually turn some energy into heat. When air conditioning you use energy to move heat out of the conditioned space, emitting waste heat somewhere else. If you’re doing it outdoors, it seems like the waste heat is going to make the local environment even hotter, and in the worse case would cause some kind of air conditioning arms race. Outdoor heating doesn’t have this problem.

Given what I’ve read elsewhere about the lives of migrant workers in Qatar, I can imagine a dystopian scenario where stadium visitors enjoy a cool breeze while workers beneath are being blasted with heat. Hopefully they have engineered a safe way of dissipating that heat energy.

Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by loser777 on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:03PM (#21316629)
Thermodynamically if we take the headline at face value this is absolutely worse in principle, since abstractly the "outdoors" is simultaneously being warmed by waste heat from A/C. If this were the case it is fighting itself and certainly doomed to lose. But reading the article reveals that there is some (sufficient?) separation between the "outdoors" and outdoors in the literal sense.
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by trianglem on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:48PM (#21317826)
Exactly. This coupled with the fact that they are trying to use the ducts to only cool the places people are and not anything else doesn't seem like such a bad idea.
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by m463 on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:11PM (#21319388)
I was at Disneyland during a heat wave and I remember waiting in line for 1-2 hours to ride the Cars ride. The sun was beating down and you were cut off from refreshments (unless you gave up your place in line). The line would eventually wind through shade and misters, but your time always seemed to be too short.

I cannot tell you how little I cared about ecological use of water near those misters.

Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by m-p-3 on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:10PM (#21318050)
This is as useful as trying to to throw out the water from a sinking boat, instead of attacking the root cause of fixing the leak. You're simply slowing down the inevitable if you don't act accordingly.
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by russiandriver on Monday October 21, 2019 @01:51PM (#21315157)
[screaming Greta Thunberg in distance]
Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by dang on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:30PM (#21316240)
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Re:Facing unbearable heat, Qatar has begun to air-condition ... by todaysAI on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:36PM (#21319175)
Shows the shortsightedness of how we got into this mess; bringing a slingshot to a gun-fight.