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Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by nabla9 on Monday October 21, 2019 @07:22AM (#21310958)
Saudi Arabia is economic time bomb. They want to sell because they need the money.

Saudis have been running budget deficits 4 - 5 percent of the GDP year after year. Might hit 7 percent this year.

Cutting spending may not be politically possible because it's buying peace. Official unemployment rate is less than 15% but it's estimated that only less than half of working-age Saudis hold jobs or actively seek work.

Foreign exchange funds provide buffers but their net foreign assets are gradually eaten away if oil price don't recover.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by clSTophEjUdRanu on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:57AM (#21311722)
During my time at University I've only met two Saudi students who were there to work hard and honestly learn. Great people both academically and personally. The rest of them passed by cheating and seemed to mostly be there to scam free college $ from their government.

If this small sample represents the best of their country they are fucked. They are in for some hard times.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by ahelwer on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:18AM (#21313261)
There's a simple explanation for this which doesn't require stereotyping all Saudis as lazy: the students you met, who studied abroad, were from wealthy families who could afford to send their children internationally. Why work hard when you can have a good time for four years before rolling home to a cush job? It's the same with the rich in the USA. Unless the kids find a specific passion they mostly just fuck around. I personally know several rich kids from American families who do this, and float around between half-assed jobs for their 20s and 30s.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by parthdesai on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:45AM (#21313574)
At the same time, Saudi is also a country that is basically dependent on expats. You've labours who are mainly from South Asia (who are treated like shit, btw) and majority of the technical/exec jobs are held by expats as well. If you were to take all the expats away tomorrow, there's no way that country is able to self sustain. I spent 5-6 years in Saudi Arabia growing up and if you have ever lived there, you know this is true.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by drspacemonkey on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:11PM (#21316045)
Spent 2 years there as one of the tech expats you spoke of, and you are 100% right. The country runs on expats paid with oil money.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by tozeur on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:23PM (#21314107)
Fellow Aramco brat?
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by parthdesai on Monday October 21, 2019 @01:05PM (#21314618)
Nah, a South Asian that kind of grew up in Riyadh.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by Laforet on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:21AM (#21320354)
Nah, it's more likely than not that they are from family of average means who are being offered a cushy package by the government to study abroad and keep them out of the country for a few years until they grow past the more rebellious age.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by throwaccount on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:04AM (#21313084)
>The rest of them passed by cheating and seemed to mostly be there to scam free college

Oh boy here I go ... I am a student at KAUST (their flagship university with an endowment in billions), I would say that the ratio of students who take it seriously vs. the ones who just fool around is 1 out of 10, and I'm being generous. I once called out some guys for partying (drunk maybe?) while at our office space and was basically told (by a mid-level exec. nonetheless) to deal with it or they would kick me out if I kept 'complaining'. No one is accountable for their actions, research quality and personal integrity are mostly an afterthought. If you point out something that is wrong you immediately get ostracized and even get some benefits removed (with some bullshit excuse). This feels like a modern version of the Stanford prison experiment, people endure it mostly because the pay is good but it is pretty clear that this thing is going nowhere. I would honestly have left if it weren't for the great relationship I developed with the professor I work with, but I just want to finish quickly and get out of here.

To the guys running the show (I know they monitor HN as well): you really need to sit down and rethink if this attitude will help you survive in the post-oil era, because I don't think it will ...

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by duxup on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:24AM (#21312582)
I had a similar experience with a Saudi student who left Saudi Arabia because he was concerned about what if any future he would have in a country where he felt most people just wanted an easy government job that they would get via connections and etc. He felt even if people suddenly decided to work, there simply weren't opportunities / the education system did not prepare them.

He was a good guy and hard worker, despite his and my very different views on some things we could understand / respect each other. He just wanted to be someplace where people worked hard too.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by cryoshon on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:13AM (#21312451)
this was my experience in college as well, but i didn't really put the pieces together until i had the same experiences in my professional life.

there were those who were competent, wanted to be hands-on, and who were clearly very motivated and interested in getting things done. they were the minority. the rest were... shall we say, not workhorses.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by HenryBemis on Monday October 21, 2019 @07:54AM (#21311186)
I have the exact same feeling/thoughts. They spend a few decades not sharing any of the oil profits, and suddenly they want our cash for a promise (Aramco, everything-Softbank invests in). Especially on the oil business, the sooner it dies out the better it will be for the planet (climate change) and humanity (wars, civil unrest).

I will leave on the side the political (dictatorship) factor.

I guess that manipulating oil price to hurt Russia and Venezuelan, also took a bite of Saudis wallet.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by rsync on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:54AM (#21312942)
"I have the exact same feeling/thoughts. They spend a few decades not sharing any of the oil profits ..."

This is a very simplistic (and incorrect) view of the economic relationship between the United States and S.A.

First, the majority of Saudi oil is sold to Europe and Asia (not the United States) but it has always been denominated in US dollars - regardless of the purchaser. This enormous demand for US dollars in global trade that need not be related to the US at all has been to our great favor.

Second, a tremendous amount of the US dollar surplus that SA generates is immediately recycled back into the hands of US industry - specifically, military industry. SA is a ready buyer of whatever new technologies our military industrial complex produces and we are paid a great sum of money for this military partnership.

You personally may not be sharing in the profits but a tremendous economic benefit is realized by the United States and her technical and military industries.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by HenryBemis on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @03:57AM (#21321249)
Very simplistic because I have a few minutes. The balances and (mostly political) use of Oil in the world makes it a perfect tool for manipulation. Plus the fact that we now (as a species) can accelerate the shift to cleaner energetic sources (sun-wind-waves)(not completely, yet) means that I find it odd to give some dictators a few more billion €¥$£ because they want to continue being a dark page in human history's and they need funding to continue in their bloody isolation.

For me it is the political aspect of interfacing with such "Powers". UK, USA, Russia had cause more pain and blood that anyone else in the last few centuries. I cannot forget this. But they have (mostly) cleaned up their act (some less than others).

As for the military industry, allow me to believe in a "Star Trek" humanity than a 'we got bigger-better-badder guns than you' future. Arms race benefit the weapons dealers and the warmongers, not the people who get burned by the napalms.

These are hugely complex discussions that are caused and causing many issues on different domains/areas. It may be too simplistic, but let's end energy dependency, let's make more schools, and education will pave the road for a better future.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by joel_ms on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:21PM (#21316853)
Last year, the US bought more than all of Europe. Asia is still the big buyer tho

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/09/16/who-buys-sau...

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by wayoutthere on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:08AM (#21311814)
> I guess that manipulating oil price to hurt Russia and Venezuelan, also took a bite of Saudis wallet.

Not really; Saudi Arabia has the highest quality and cheapest to extract oil sources in the world. They absolutely can afford to manipulate oil prices because they know with absolute certainty that their operational costs will be lower than other countries.

They have trillions of dollars invested globally. Problem is that equity is turning into a suckers' game and they want shareholders to be left holding the bag now that green energy is about to kneecap the oil industry. No thanks!

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by dahdum on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:26AM (#21311969)
They can’t afford to manipulate the market effectively, they may have the lowest production costs but they’ve already spent / allocated the profits.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by babayega2 on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:07AM (#21312393)
Indeed. That idea that they can manipulate the market easily is based on some data they have only access. I forgot a paper I saw one month ago speculating on the true capacity of SA production... The 11 billion baril per day is not a truly verified number. Beside, Aramco "is thought" to be financing all the rich life of the more than 4k princes in SA. So imagine the finances and budgeting of Aramco. It's though to be a hellish of...
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by skeptical900067 on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:57PM (#21317256)
Can anyone help me out in understanding how green energy is going to kneecap oil? I know the costs have gone down some, but iirc total oil energy produced/consumed is still orders of magnitude higher. Additionally, the margins on oil are still wide enough to absorb a lot of competition from wind, geothermal and solar.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by turk73 on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:19AM (#21311370)
IPO is the search for the final bag holders. It's been that way for years now.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by tekkk on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:57AM (#21312274)
Well, not really. That's a broad overstatement. Sure, for hype US tech companies but there are small companies without ridiculous over-pricing that use it to fund their growth as it was originally supposed to. But I agree that when the owners want to IPO it is often because it's beneficial time for them to sell (valuation is high vs the perceived risks). Or some VCs want to dump their stocks. Yet had you taken part in say Facebook's IPO that was considered over-hyped and held onto your stocks you would have made massive returns so, it's not all smoke and mirrors.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by anonu on Monday October 21, 2019 @07:42AM (#21311111)
It's an economic time bomb that the USA is happy to prop up. So the bomb will be defused for way longer than you think to maintain the status quo.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by Robotbeat on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:40AM (#21311573)
It’s rapidly becoming in the interests of US fossil fuel companies to let the oil price spike so they can reap massive profits. The status quo is massively changing due to fracking.

EDIT: Look at this graph of US net imports of oil (etc). The bottom of the graph is zero. We are perhaps months away from being a net exporter. There are caveats, like the fact that the new oil (light) the US produces is not the oil (ie Heavy) that US refineries are optimized for, but this is temporary. Refineries can and will be retooled. Saudi Arabia cannot take the position of the US as primarily a customer (vs competitor) of oil for granted. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=m...

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by sword_smith on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:04AM (#21311775)
That's an amazing graph. The other side of the same story is the US production of oil:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W...

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by dmurray on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:20AM (#21311915)
It's up about 40% since 1985? That seems really low. Population is up 33% since then.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by sword_smith on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:14AM (#21312467)
Yes. US oil production fell from around 1971 until the fracking boom took off in 2008. Remember when everybody talked about Peak Oil? That's where it came from. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=37416
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by sambroner on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:45AM (#21312828)
Check this additional article out... really shows the growth in exports and its global impact.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=35352

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by adventured on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:21AM (#21313295)
That's a poorly representative chart of the current situation. That data is from 2017, showing that exports hit 1.1 million barrels per day.

Here is what it looks like now (hit 3.1 million barrles per day in June):

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M...

And this:

Sept 12: "Booming shale production helped the United States briefly overtake Saudi Arabia and Russia to become the world's top oil exporter for the first time earlier this year. US exports of crude topped 3 million barrels per day in June, according to the International Energy Agency, pushing its total oil exports to nearly 9 million barrels per day."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/investing/us-oil-exports-saud...

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by thiago_fm on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:54AM (#21311689)
US is also running a similar deficit, 2 time bombs.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by adventured on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:32AM (#21313431)
Saudi Arabia has no economy except for fossil fuels. They've been trying for decades to build an alternate economy and every initiative has failed. The situations aren't remotely similar.

The US controls the global reserve currency, is the world's largest economy, has a $65k GDP per capita, is a massive manufacturing economy (#2 behind China), is by far the world's leading technology economy, and has 2x the wealth of the next closest nation (China). That reserve currency is presently under zero threat from other currencies in terms of being replaced. Why does that matter? It gives the US the ultimate financial weapon for dealing with its federal debt. It's a special position no other nation has.

Currently the US is paying about the same rate for its new debt as Greece and Italy. The Fed can continue to gradually press that lower until the point where the US is issuing zero yield debt as in the case of Japan. That means the US can - fortunately or unfortunately - afford to take on a lot more debt yet. Most likely 2x GDP or more, before there is a serious problem.

If more aggressive debasement becomes necessary, the US owns about 35-38% of all the world's wealth, and has 40% of all the world's millionaires. The US is adding wealth faster than any other nation, and was responsible for adding ~55% of all the world's new millionaires in the prior year. That wealth, along with the massive US income base, represents the Fed's room for debasement to deal with the debt (inflating it away in one form or another). US output per capita is about 2.5x higher than Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia has none of those advantages.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by mc32 on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:07AM (#21311266)
Seems they would be a decent candidate to try out UBI and see if in practice it works.

They’ve got wealth and they have lots of underemployed and unemployed.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by psv1 on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:27AM (#21311455)
Seems like the worst candidate to see if UBI works in practice - due to the very specific political, cultural and economic climate in Saudi Arabia, UBI failing or working well won't be any indicator whatsoever about UBI's viability in another country.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by tigershark on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:21AM (#21311930)
It seems scarily close to the justifications sought for communism/socialism. The usual excuse is that it didn’t work because it was not implemented correctly in Russia, North Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela... etc. etc.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by psv1 on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:30AM (#21312008)
> UBI failing or working well won't be any indicator

I haven't commented on UBI itself at all. I'm simply pointing out that lessons learned in Saudi Arabia hardly carry over anywhere else. Not sure which part is scary.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by tigershark on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:49AM (#21312891)
You are saying that if UBI fails in Saudi Arabia you can’t extrapolate the failure in any other country. And it’s exactly the same thing that people say to defend communism. They assert that communism failed because: “Russia seems like the worst candidate to see if communism works in practice - due to the very specific political, cultural and economic climate in Russia, communism failing or working well won't be any indicator whatsoever about communism's viability in another country.”
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by ilamont on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:15AM (#21311336)
They already do have a benefits system in place that includes cash payouts to low and middle income families, plus bonuses for state employees (70% of Saudi nationals), stipends for students, tax breaks on home purchases, etc.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by mc32 on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:22AM (#21311402)
Is it set up as a UBI and is it proving itself, will it remain sustainable?
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by ilamont on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:39AM (#21311558)
Honest question: Does it matter?

The current iteration is called the Citizen's Account program. But if it were called Saudi Basic Income, Saudi Social Security, or Saudi Protection Net, wouldn't the net impact be the same -- a scaled system of cash payouts for low and middle income citizens to support basic living expenses?

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by w457uiw4gftyi on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:53AM (#21311677)
The name might not matter but the post you responded to asked if it was set up as a Universal Basic Income, which does matter.

One of the claims UBI-backers make is the fact that giving everyone the same amount of money will be much simpler and require much less bureaucracy than income-based welfare schemes. So, I get my $1k this month, you get your $1k, the homeless guy under the bridge gets his $1k, Bill Gates gets his $1k, etc.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by lmm on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:53AM (#21311687)
A reliable income that you're entitled to might lead to very different behaviour than a contingent programme.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by LegitShady on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:20AM (#21311919)
It matters so much.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:26AM (#21311449)
Do you mean having the regime throw as few crumbs as necessary to the population just to avoid a dictatorship overthrow?

Perhaps what people need is not money but the political power to decide what they want to do with their common wealth (which could be UBI, of course).

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by mc32 on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:32AM (#21311492)
Maybe but I can see how it could actually end up in “give it all to us right now” which obviously would short circuit the whole idea.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by wayoutthere on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:16AM (#21311879)
I'm as lefty-socialist as they come, but we have to be careful because UBI schemes can also look like the UAE -- which has created an upper class of "citizens" who receive a generous stipend and an undocumented underclass of people with no rights.

Stateless refugees are a big problem today, and climate change is going to create a lot more of them. Jewish people were the group left stateless in the nationalist period after WWI, and we all know what happened there. If no country is willing to protect the rights of people whose nations deem them "problematic", UBI won't matter because there is still going to be an underclass that doesn't officially have rights and can be persecuted. You can then just cram all your political opponents into that box and watch fascism happen.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by LegitShady on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:20AM (#21311912)
UBI is nonsense socialism campaigning for the votes of the uninformed

"We'll just give everyone money. Nobody will demand more and the promise of more money won't become the key election issue as governments directly try to buy off their citizens for votes. Nothing can go wrong."

Huh why would you do that!

"AI!"

It's like a comedy but it's not actually funny, just full of clowns.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by MuffinFlavored on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:23AM (#21311945)
While the tone of your post is a little rough, I am curious to see if any of the readers here agree that UBI isn't a great idea for our current society

I for one don't understand how it won't cause mass inflation. Every reason I read for why it won't is usually along the lines of "we did an experiment with 100 people, it turned out great!"

100 people != the population of a country

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by benj111 on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:52AM (#21312922)
I've always thought about it this way.

A car factory in 1950 employed so many people to make X cars. The factory of today employs far less people to make the same amount of stuff. Up until now we've all bought every increasing quantities of stuff so we've been able to absorb that extra productivity.

What happens then if our capacity to consume extra stuff is met? Or what happens when some proportion of the populace is now unemployed due to automation. They're kind of 2 sides to the same coin. Once consumption capacity is met, productivity increases just lead to increasing unemployment.

Of course you could leave them to rot. Or you could distribute the benefits of increased productivity to everyone.

Are we there yet? No, but we're using more resources than we should so we should probably hope that we reach that limit sooner rather than later.

So to answer your question, there wouldn't be extra inflation, because there wouldn't be extra consumption.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by MuffinFlavored on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:57PM (#21314511)
> So to answer your question, there wouldn't be extra inflation, because there wouldn't be extra consumption.

Andrew Yang's campaign states he believes that the UBI he is proposing will boost the economy because people will spend it. That's definition of consumption, right? Increased spending?

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by navigatesol on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:47AM (#21312174)
>I for one don't understand how it won't cause mass inflation.

America already gives away vast sums of money to various people and programs, over $2 trillion annually. UBI is just a way of saying, "here's your share, spend it how you wish".

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by MuffinFlavored on Monday October 21, 2019 @12:54PM (#21314469)
From what I understand it, UBI (as proposed by Andrew Yang) will give a lot who are not receiving any money whatsoever (from any government programs) income they didn't necessarily need.

aka, he is proposing to give both impoverished people and billionaires UBI

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by LegitShady on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:06AM (#21312375)
And then people will vote in parties whose position is ever increasing of the dole and it's a swift race for he socialist bottom.

A pipe dream that doesn't actually reflect human behaviour just the inclinations of some to demand others' things while calling them greedy.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by michaelmrose on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:56AM (#21313719)
If you are redistributing money not creating it how by definition will it create inflation. The same money is chasing the same goods and services.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by repolfx on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:07PM (#21317369)
UBI isn't a redistribution scheme, it's meant to be that everyone gets money, regardless of need. Obviously if a government takes away $1000 and "gives" you $100 back, that's no different from your perspective to no UBI and slightly lower taxes.

UBI as suggested can't possibly ever work without being massively inflationary. It is indeed economic nonsense.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by LegitShady on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:33PM (#21318278)
The secret is that its by design. The purpose is to create socialism, step by step. You have to start with a universal welfare system that then creates economic crisis, which justifies anything government economic policy in the name of protecting the welfare of the people.

There are 3 kinds of people who espouse UBI. The dishonest political swindlers, the misled, and those who would vote for anyone who promises them money.

Wait until you find out how many support UBI and no immigration control.

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by teyc on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:14PM (#21316785)
The design tension is this: current welfare recipients get a range of help from the government, each administered separately. In addition, because it cuts out for every dollar earned it creates a very high marginal tax rate, creating a local maximum. However, middle class welfare is a very real thing, and the problem with UBI is it allows the government to entrench itself with even more aspects of a persons life.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by ahbyb on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:27AM (#21311975)
I agree with you and, at the same time, I don't know what we'll do when everything gets automated.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by aj7 on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:58PM (#21316586)
Take care of people.

Manufacturing is just like farming, except delayed. How many people are needed to plant and harvest a huge field?

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by repolfx on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:48PM (#21317831)
There will never be a time when everything is automated.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by LegitShady on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:06AM (#21312382)
The same thing the telephone operators and horse farriers did.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by pault on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:10PM (#21316041)
Die unemployed while the next generation enters the workforce with training for the new class of jobs?
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by rsync on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:43AM (#21312813)
"Cutting spending may not be politically possible because it's buying peace. Official unemployment rate is less than 15% but it's estimated that only less than half of working-age Saudis hold jobs or actively seek work."

Obligatory Syriana clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWeMpaC4VeA

Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by not_a_cop75 on Monday October 21, 2019 @10:26AM (#21312615)
It's hard to imagine this won't collapse into some terrible middle eastern war. If they can't cut "dividends" to their stakeholders, they get really angry and there's a war. Or they sell the company, burn through the money, make people angry and there's a war. A war with generations of wealth before it could turn out to be pretty large.
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by seibelj on Monday October 21, 2019 @08:48AM (#21311635)
Why not use Modern Monetary Theory? Left wing economists have told me deficits don’t matter...
Re:Saudi Aramco Is the WeWork of Energy with Pulled IPO by gruez on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:30AM (#21312004)
For one, I don't think anyone is going to lend to Saudi Arabia in their own currency.