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Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:22AM (#21189960)
Why is this cancer allowed to exist and not blocked by every antimalware/safe browsing lists? They fit most definitions of malware, it's annoying, designed to trick/mislead you, can lead you to other malware, and spies on you (so it's spyware as well).
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by ChrisSD on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @08:48AM (#21191642)
As clickbaity as the ads are, the actual technology used to show them is much better than most ad networks.

Last I looked into outbrain, the ads were simply a picture and some text. These linked to the advertised site. All images and scripts were hosted by outbrain themselves so there was no third party scripts running or other dubious content that could be inserted.

So in terms of security, outbrains ads were doing a lot better than, say, Google's ad network. Of course what is being advertised is more dubious but that's always been an issue with clicking random ads.

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Bartweiss on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:27AM (#21193323)
I definitely understand why "acceptable ads" offends so many people. Between approving clickbait and their steep 30% cut for "large" Acceptable Ads members, it's clearly not simply for the benefit of users. And the rules on "unobtrusive" static images simply don't seem to be honored. But I have to admit that the ABP model is at least a massive improvement over nothing. It "just works" better than more vigorous tools, and it pretty reliably keeps out malware - especially the stuff that can affect you without being clicked.

I don't like Outbrain's clickbait ads, but they're at least part of the debate around "is it fair to use sites while knowingly avoiding their monetization?" As far as I'm concerned, that entire debate is a nonstarter if it implies loading whatever wretched JS happens to be served by a page. ABP is sufficient to let us talk about honesty and distraction, which apply to TV or print ads also. Otherwise, I think the conversation begins and ends with security and privacy.

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Kiro on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:13AM (#21193139)
Yeah, the clickbait itself is enough to criticize without adding unnecessary exaggeration. Now we just look stupid by attributing things that simply are not true. It happens way too often here. People are in pitchfork mode and upvote the most slandering comment, even if it's false.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by k1m on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:51AM (#21190097)
Because some, like, Adblock Plus and I assume all the other ad blockers who take part in the ridiculous "Acceptable Ads" programme, receive money from Taboola to allow those ads to show. Here's an entry where Taboola was added: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=25991
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by chii on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:50AM (#21190397)
The day adblock plus coined the concept of acceptable ads was the day they were compromised by the alure of payment.

The last bastion left is ublock origin. Please, more people need to move to it (and while at it, consider moving to firefox as well).

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by wil421 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:24AM (#21192630)
How can I get u block origins on iOS or the equivalent? Ad block plus does nothing.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Analemma_ on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:28AM (#21192684)
You can’t have the full functionality of uBlock Origin on iOS because Safari only allows blockers to consist of a list of regexes rather than executing code, but 1Blocker X has 95% of the functionality. I’m very happy with it.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by robflaherty on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:16AM (#21193178)
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by ryall on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @06:23AM (#21190612)
What’s wrong with pi-hole?
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by dredmorbius on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:10AM (#21193115)
Belt and suspenders.

Pi-Hole (or equivalents, I use the OpenWRT Adblock package on my router) work through domain and host-based blocking, which is powerful, but not exclusive, and carries side-effects. As a bonus, if your local resolver (which is what Pi-Hole is) serves your local LAN or WiFi network, ALL devices are automatically protected, at least while they're on that network (and are configured to use that resolver).

uBlock Origin works based on domain-based blocks, but also other heuristics, and (where the capability exists) can block specific elements within Web pages.

Generally, Pi-Hole or other resolver-based DNS blocklists:

- Covers all local devices and applications.

- Its configuration can be automatically configured via your network's DHCP server.

- It covers all applications.

- It works only for devices while they're using that network or DNS resolver.

Generally uBlock Origin or other extension-based adblockers:

- Cover only the application for which they're installed.

- Offer more extensive blocking capabilities.

- Work regardless of network you're on or when roaming in mobile state.

Where possible, I use both. For devices and apps in which uBlock Origin (or equivalent) isn't available, I rely on DNS-based blockers. When I'm mobile, unfortunately, I get ads, and really, really, really, really hate them.

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by bertil on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @06:56AM (#21190842)
Not the OC, but I use uBlock, not pi-hole simply because:

- hardware, and I’m lazy (admittedly, that doesn’t really qualify as a good reason);

- I browse on mobile, at work, from cafés, etc.

I like the idea of having a device that handles my connection everywhere and my mobile and laptop are always “on wifi” with that device. I’d love to have a centralised solution to use the dodgy wifi connection at airports, for instance.

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by vector_spaces on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @07:12AM (#21190943)
You can set up pi-hole + a VPN on a cloud provider to solve the mobile problem. I did that, and it's great, but I do recognize that it has greater time demands (setting up the server, hardening it, setting up the CA, generating keys, ongoing maintenance, etc) and expense.

Here's a dated but reasonable overview of the process from Digital Ocean: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-bloc...

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by close04 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @08:46AM (#21191626)
Unfortunately DNS based ad-blocking solutions are nowhere near as effective and convenient as an extension like uBO. Even if you have a publicly available DNS based service they will tend to be more lax in order to not break sites which lets many ads through.

I use a combination of PiHole, Firefox+uBO, and VPN + FW rules to stay as much away from ads as possible even when browsing mobile. uBO is the single most convenient and effective measure out of all of them.

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by zenexer on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:12AM (#21192502)
An important nitpick for those who are unaware: hopefully you use uBlock Origin, not uBlock. uBlock is owned by AdBlock and allows "Acceptable Ads".[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin#uBlock

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by dspillett on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:12AM (#21192499)
> hardware

It doesn't have to be real hardware: you can run pihole in a VM (KVM, Hyper-V, etc) on your local machine. It'll eat a bit of RAM of course, but it doesn't need a huge amount to serve one user.

This doesn't solve the setup time of course, and trouble-shooting time if something goes wrong.

For mobile I run OpenVPN at home: all my traffic when on on my phone provider's network or public/guest wifi goes down that including DNS request going to my pihole instance. This isn't perfect of course: there is still some setup and maintenance involved, and some networks block or significantly throttle VPN traffic (throttling can be worked around by running the VPN on port TCP443 if it is done by simple port based rules but that may mean having a spare IPv4 address to hand).

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @11:05AM (#21193058)
This is a really obtuse way to run a proxy server.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by dspillett on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @12:55PM (#21194305)
My pihole isn't running on a "client" machine, though it is running on a VM on the home router/server just to keep it entirely separate to aid maintenance. A container would do the job too. I was just pointing out that the OP wouldn't need new hardware to set up pihole.

And in my case the VPN is not just for accessing my ad-/malware- blocking DNS resolver, but also for accessing other local resources and for general paranoia (nothing goes over the mobile network or public/guest WiFi unencrypted). Useful extra feature: because payment processors think I'm at home I'm bothered less by extra identity verification steps than I would be if my source address and therefore derived location changed regularly.

DNS traffic going through the VPN stops the network intercepting and forcing it through their resolver anyway (I'm looking at you, Sky) and means that I don't have to make my DNS resolver visible to the unwashed masses.

So I'm not just being obtuse. IMO, anyway.

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by chimen on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @07:58AM (#21191238)
Or you can use a DNS server that handles that for you, like dnsadblock.com
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by ignoramous on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @08:56AM (#21191713)
Nice. nextdns.io [0] is another alternative, which may not remain free forever.

dns.adguard.com [1] is decent for a free offering, though offers no custom rules.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20012687

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18788410

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by nonbirithm on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:48PM (#21196392)
It only works on a domain/host level of blocking, but not content blocking. Pi-hole can't do anything about blocking ads in the Android YouTube app, for example, because Google serves the ads from the same domain as the video content.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by brokensegue on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:19AM (#21192568)
It's crazy they got categorized as "acceptable". They are among the least acceptable ads I regularly see.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by cpeterso on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @12:03PM (#21193733)
I don't mind ads; I just don't want this clickbait crap, so I created a blocklist (compatible with Adblock Plus and uBlock Origin) just for these chumbox ad networks:

https://github.com/cpeterso/clickbait-blocklist/

Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Scottn1 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @06:58PM (#21198189)
How does your list differ than just using Fanboy Annoyance list? FB Annoyance is what I've always used to block these two clickbait networks (Taboola/Outbrain).
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by pjc50 on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:25AM (#21189984)
Even when I don't have adblock running, those two I block at the hosts file or DNS layer. Some of their clickbait photos are offensive or disturbing (although of course not quite enough to get them banned)
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by matheusmoreira on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:07AM (#21190185)
uBlock Origin blocks them. I only see them when I'm using Chrome on mobile.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by chii on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @05:50AM (#21190401)
firefox mobile works OK, and can install ublock origin.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by matheusmoreira on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @06:03AM (#21190482)
Indeed. That is the number one reason why I use it!
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Simon_says on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:57AM (#21190133)
I just checked and both domains are already on my DNS blocklists, and I'm just using the default blocklists from DNSCrypt. I look forward to blocking them and their combined entity. [Deity]bless the people who maintain those lists.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by bllguo on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:24AM (#21189972)
who says they're not blocked? ublock origin certainly blocks it for me?
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:25AM (#21189983)
I mean by mainstream antimalware including the built-in safe browsing lists that most browsers use. The world would be so much better & safer for non-technical users if operating systems blocked such trash out of the box, as most non-tech people don't even know ad/cancer blockers exist.
Re:Taboola and Outbrain are merging to create a clickbait giant by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @04:39AM (#21190047)
1Blocker also blocks it for me on iOS and macOS.