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Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by mFixman on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:07PM (#21182505)
I can't help but being sad for the official end of the Inuktitut syllabic: it was such a unique system or writing, and it seemed to fit Inuit languages well.

Unicode can handle a zillion characters, and I don't remember having problems with missing fonts in any of my devices for at least half a decade. If the problem is people talking in English on their cellphones because of lack of input support, couldn't the government of Nunavut work in making iOS/Android keyboards with a good syllabic input method?

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by tasogare on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:13PM (#21182574)
I feel a bit sad too. I looked at it last week, it was a really nicely designed syllabic alphabet and well suited to the phonology of the language. I planned to learn it this week for the fun.

I don’t think developing a keyboard for it is too difficult. Actually I could try to do it myself. The problem is probably more about making users install it when it’s not preinstalled on the device and thus requires downloading an application. Heck, even languages such as Chinese or Japanese requires a (first party) download on Android. I found iOS handles better multilingual input and is less confusing to get started with new keyboards.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by robocat on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:57PM (#21185272)
> The problem is probably more about making users install it when it’s not preinstalled

Is there a keyboard HID for USB/Bluetooth that allows for Unicode characters to be sent rather than key codes?

Android has a pretty good keyboard API (e.g. Chrome on Android can't get passed keycodes because of how IME are designed). However I'm guessing Windows apps need key codes, so maybe not possible.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:44PM (#21182933)
> I don’t think developing a keyboard for it is too difficult.

I've made IBus input methods for conlangs before and it's literally as simple as making a plaintext table of physical keys and corresponding characters. I can't imagine it'd be any more difficult on IOS or Android. Despite this I can't find any Inuktitut keyboards on the Play Store.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by tasogare on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:25PM (#21183493)
Well it’s depends. On desktop OS plain text file method has limitations, for example on macOS it may not work if the name is too long and it ignores leading 0 for conversion which is super annoying. Then there are third party middleware like Open Vanilla which are more customizable and finally there is the solution of using native frameworks which is hellish.

On mobile OS, at least on iOS, developing a keyboard means also creating the layout keyboard and managing its state, so it’s a bit more work than a single mapping text file.

> I can’t find any Inuktitut keyboards on the play Store

I found my next side project haha. I need one for another app I planned to do.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by yorwba on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:17PM (#21184184)
> I found my next side project haha. I need one for another app I planned to do.

You might want to base it on https://anysoftkeyboard.github.io/

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by __rvnykk on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:17PM (#21182625)
There is a keyboard for phones called FirstVoices, it's pretty nice. I've never had an issue displaying Syllabics on my phone, either

There are a lot of converters (I'm making another one, granted it's for Ojibwe / Cree), but no ways to natively type them on an actual computer easily, as far as I know

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:37PM (#21182861)
We're looking at this from the perspective of people who understand computers. From the point of view of the bureaucrats who make thesse decisions computers are some arcane device that can. only display English. See for example the braindead orthographic reforms being pushed by the Turkmenistan government. Overhauling your entire written orthography just to be ASCII compatible! When these types of people see code they assume that they're looking at plain English and end up thinking that the language is somehow a fundamental part of how computers work.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by Pxtl on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:45PM (#21182946)
Well, it's hard to deny that life is easier for people using English-compatible writing systems. No trouble with physical keyboards, anglophones can take a stab at pronouncing things, and a lot of older computer technology predates modern unicode and nobody seems to be in a rush to replace it.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by thaumasiotes on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:01PM (#21183989)
> anglophones can take a stab at pronouncing things

How is this supposed to help anyone? That anglophone guess isn't going to be close to correct -- in the general case, it's unlikely to even be recognizable.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by TulliusCicero on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:50PM (#21185207)
Well, it makes things easier for (many) tourists. Trying to hold the characters for a novel script in my head is tremendously more difficult than holding the letters for a new language that use Latin characters.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:31PM (#21186707)
You can still transliterate into English without overhauling your entire orthography.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by astrodust on Monday October 07, 2019 @09:10PM (#21187699)
Portuguese uses Latin letters, but good luck pronouncing even half the words correctly without a lot of practice.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by _delirium on Monday October 07, 2019 @11:28PM (#21188449)
True, though foreigners who can read the Latin script can at least recognize names on Portuguese signs, which helps with getting around (as long as you don't have to speak the name out loud). That's half the reason Greece provides Latin names on signs everywhere. With a sign that says "Χανιά | Chania", your average foreigner isn't going to pronounce it correctly either way (the "ch" is supposed to be like "loch", not like "chess"), but at least with a Latin version appended they're more likely to find where they're going.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by mFixman on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:02AM (#21192390)
The Latin alphabet is actually a terrible way to write English, and guessing how to pronounce words is the hardest part of being an ESL. You can't use 5 symbols for 19 syllables and call it a day.

Ideally people would use Shavian[1] or some other system that kinda matches 1:1 with the language.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:54PM (#21183078)
I'd have to disagree at least in the context of computers.

> No trouble with physical keyboards

I've seen comments on HN before about how certain characters used for programming aren't on keyboards with European layouts, supposedly creating a barrier for beginner programmers. In contrast, somebody using a keyboard for one of the CJK languages only needs to press shift to type all the characters in Basic Latin because the physical layouts are the same.

> lot of older computer technology predates modern unicode and nobody seems to be in a rush to replace it.

There are probably way more computers that only support Shift JIS than computers that only use ASCII. I heard that apparently lack of support for Unicode is still a problem in certain Japanese offices.

I think the most dangerous position to be in is when your writing system is similar to but not exactly the same as English, in which case people begin to adopt a "close enough" attitude and accept the status quo, choosing instead to change their orthography in counterproductive ways to fit ephemeral technical requirements.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by thaumasiotes on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:06PM (#21184044)
> somebody using a keyboard for one of the CJK languages only needs to press shift to type all the characters in Basic Latin because the physical layouts are the same

The keyboards you buy in China (the C in CJK) are the same ones you'd buy in the US. They don't have their own.

This makes sense, since character input is done in software; there is no way to map physical keys to the much much larger inventory of characters.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:21PM (#21186613)
Yes Mainland China generally uses ANSI or ISO but Taiwanese keyboards usually have labels for bopomofo and Cangjie[0] while having the same physical layout as a US keyboard.

[0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Standard_Taiwanese_K...

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by est31 on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:22PM (#21182687)
It's not impossible to do this. In Norway, for the Sami minority, there is a project for precisely such tools: http://divvun.no/
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by jjkaczor on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @02:44PM (#21206502)
Also sad - I had no idea this was happening - heck, it was only last week that someone showed me how my name is spelled in syllabic.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by hsivonen on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:07PM (#21184725)
GBoard on Android has Inuktitut syllabics support.