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Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:37PM (#21182861)
We're looking at this from the perspective of people who understand computers. From the point of view of the bureaucrats who make thesse decisions computers are some arcane device that can. only display English. See for example the braindead orthographic reforms being pushed by the Turkmenistan government. Overhauling your entire written orthography just to be ASCII compatible! When these types of people see code they assume that they're looking at plain English and end up thinking that the language is somehow a fundamental part of how computers work.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by Pxtl on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:45PM (#21182946)
Well, it's hard to deny that life is easier for people using English-compatible writing systems. No trouble with physical keyboards, anglophones can take a stab at pronouncing things, and a lot of older computer technology predates modern unicode and nobody seems to be in a rush to replace it.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by thaumasiotes on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:01PM (#21183989)
> anglophones can take a stab at pronouncing things

How is this supposed to help anyone? That anglophone guess isn't going to be close to correct -- in the general case, it's unlikely to even be recognizable.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by TulliusCicero on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:50PM (#21185207)
Well, it makes things easier for (many) tourists. Trying to hold the characters for a novel script in my head is tremendously more difficult than holding the letters for a new language that use Latin characters.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:31PM (#21186707)
You can still transliterate into English without overhauling your entire orthography.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by astrodust on Monday October 07, 2019 @09:10PM (#21187699)
Portuguese uses Latin letters, but good luck pronouncing even half the words correctly without a lot of practice.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by _delirium on Monday October 07, 2019 @11:28PM (#21188449)
True, though foreigners who can read the Latin script can at least recognize names on Portuguese signs, which helps with getting around (as long as you don't have to speak the name out loud). That's half the reason Greece provides Latin names on signs everywhere. With a sign that says "Χανιά | Chania", your average foreigner isn't going to pronounce it correctly either way (the "ch" is supposed to be like "loch", not like "chess"), but at least with a Latin version appended they're more likely to find where they're going.
Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by mFixman on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:02AM (#21192390)
The Latin alphabet is actually a terrible way to write English, and guessing how to pronounce words is the hardest part of being an ESL. You can't use 5 symbols for 19 syllables and call it a day.

Ideally people would use Shavian[1] or some other system that kinda matches 1:1 with the language.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:54PM (#21183078)
I'd have to disagree at least in the context of computers.

> No trouble with physical keyboards

I've seen comments on HN before about how certain characters used for programming aren't on keyboards with European layouts, supposedly creating a barrier for beginner programmers. In contrast, somebody using a keyboard for one of the CJK languages only needs to press shift to type all the characters in Basic Latin because the physical layouts are the same.

> lot of older computer technology predates modern unicode and nobody seems to be in a rush to replace it.

There are probably way more computers that only support Shift JIS than computers that only use ASCII. I heard that apparently lack of support for Unicode is still a problem in certain Japanese offices.

I think the most dangerous position to be in is when your writing system is similar to but not exactly the same as English, in which case people begin to adopt a "close enough" attitude and accept the status quo, choosing instead to change their orthography in counterproductive ways to fit ephemeral technical requirements.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by thaumasiotes on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:06PM (#21184044)
> somebody using a keyboard for one of the CJK languages only needs to press shift to type all the characters in Basic Latin because the physical layouts are the same

The keyboards you buy in China (the C in CJK) are the same ones you'd buy in the US. They don't have their own.

This makes sense, since character input is done in software; there is no way to map physical keys to the much much larger inventory of characters.

Re:The Inuit agree on a common writing system by knolax on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:21PM (#21186613)
Yes Mainland China generally uses ANSI or ISO but Taiwanese keyboards usually have labels for bopomofo and Cangjie[0] while having the same physical layout as a US keyboard.

[0] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Standard_Taiwanese_K...