Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak exploit is a game changer

Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by paulcole on Saturday September 28, 2019 @12:10PM (#21101142)

My take is that you’re misinterpreting what you (theoretically) have purchased. You bought an iPhone, not a pile of hardware. Nowhere in the transaction did Apple misrepresent what they offered. Your wish for iPhone shaped hardware that is yours to do whatever you want with doesn’t change the fact that this isn’t what’s for sale.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @12:24PM (#21101229)

How do you reconcile the fact that I've bought it with the fact that it's not "mine to do whatever I want with"?

Ownership is the state of exclusive rights and control over property, which I don't have when I buy an Apple device. Either they shouldn't say they're selling it (they can say they're leasing it to me) or they should give me all rights.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by lotsofpulp on Saturday September 28, 2019 @01:17PM (#21101556)

World isn’t so black and white. There are restrictions on many things you “own”. Land, certain chemicals, technologies, etc.

I like to think of “owning” in the developed world simply as a right to collect rent from someone else.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @01:37PM (#21101681)

> There are restrictions on many things you “own”.

Are any of these restrictions there so a private third party can decide what you do with your property?

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by tedunangst on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:58PM (#21102182)

Another example is the Visual Artists Rights Act. You may own the painting, sculpture, etc., but you are not allowed to modify or destroy it.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by edoceo on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:12PM (#21101903)

Yes, land rights for example. Someone else decides what you're allowed to build and/or dig.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:15PM (#21101924)

Which private party decides that?

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by oarsinsync on Saturday September 28, 2019 @04:13PM (#21102588)

The municipal council approves all building plans. Just because you own the land doesn’t mean you have the right to build whatever you want on it without approval.

At least, that’s true in at least one state in the USA.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by ckcheng on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:03PM (#21102848)

The neighbor or utility providers have a say if there's an easement, e.g. you can't build as to block their right-of-way access for maintenance purposes, despite your ownership over the land.

Also the developers and architectural controls can make decisions affecting what you build (down to the color you paint outside), before they turn things over to the city.

All subject to local laws of course, so may vary city to city.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by edoceo on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:33PM (#21102049)

Home Owners Association, Neighborhood Association, Historical Society, etc

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by paulcole on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:45PM (#21103076)

When you buy a car, you don’t get an airplane. Maybe you can figure out how to make it one but don’t cry when you can’t.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @05:56PM (#21103148)

This analogy is apt, because I was clearly complaining that my phone wasn't a spaceship.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by paulcole on Saturday September 28, 2019 @08:18PM (#21104042)

You knowingly bought one thing while wishing it was something else. Blame the company for that if you want but they didn’t have a gun to your head.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @08:22PM (#21104060)

I'm not saying they misrepresented the transaction that occurred. I'm saying I don't own the phone I bought, Apple does. I'm just leasing it from them.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by paulcole on Saturday September 28, 2019 @09:17PM (#21104329)

I guess I just don’t understand your definition of ownership or leasing. This just sounds to me like you’re complaining that you’re only leasing your fork because you bought a spoon.

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:13PM (#21104564)

I bought a computer that can't run whatever code I want. That's not ownership. That's buying a fork that hangs on a chain in the manufacturer's house. Yes, I "own" it, yes it's better than no fork, but if I can't eat whatever I want with it, it's not really mine.

I don't know what people aren't getting about this. You bought a computer that can only run code that Apple has explicitly approved. How is this ownership?

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by Rylinks on Saturday September 28, 2019 @06:57PM (#21103589)

this is like saying you don't own a lock because it won't open if you've lost the key

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Re:Developer of Checkm8 explains why iDevice jailbreak explo... by StavrosK on Saturday September 28, 2019 @07:05PM (#21103636)

No, it's like saying I don't own a lock because Apple keeps the key and I have to call them and ask them to unlock it for me every time.

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