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Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by rainyMammoth on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:07PM (#21087076)
I'm driving a Toyota Corolla with lane assist which does 95% of what Tesla "Self Driving" does. It accelerates and brakes for me in traffic, and correct courses to stay in my lane. This is a 18k$ car and I would not accept trading Bluetooth issues with fancy parking summon features.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by zaroth on Thursday September 26, 2019 @11:40PM (#21088195)
Is this the system you’re talking about? [1]

If so, it’s constantly disengaging to the point it seems unusable. This is not anywhere remotely 95% of what AutoPilot does.

Look at Autonomous Day presentations on things like cut-in detection and lane changes. Look at what the active accident avoidance technology accomplishes in the real world. The Toyota system is not even trying to do any of that.

[1] - https://youtu.be/5QNw1n5JLLw

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by SECProto on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:13PM (#21087109)
Having driven a car with Toyota's smart driving features... I view them as a negative. Cruise control keeps me too far back from whatever vehicle is in front of me. Dealbreaker with no clear way to disable. I'll stick with my 7 year old Yaris (which also has shitty Bluetooth)
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by DevoidSimo on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:47PM (#21087369)
I rented one once, you can adjust the follow distance for the adaptive cruise control. Annoyingly it resets each time you turn on the car though.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by SECProto on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:11PM (#21087512)
In my experience, none of them are a reasonable distance back. If it gave an audible chime first or something, it would be fine.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by saalweachter on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:37PM (#21087608)
That's called a SAFE FOLLOWING DISTANCE.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by SECProto on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:48PM (#21087649)
> That's called a SAFE FOLLOWING DISTANCE.

Hi. Safe following distance is the distance required to safely stop at whatever speed you are going. At a typical speed of 90km/hr (that's usually when this "feature" gets engaged - slowing me to 10km/hr under the limit because that's what someone in front of me is doing), the safe stopping distance is around 80-90 meters (perception+braking in good conditions). The shortest follow distance setting I seemed able to find was around double this distance.

tl;dr: I do not find that the adaptive cruise control is engaged at a safe following distance. Indeed, I think it makes me less safe as a driver, because it slows me down arbitrarily without any visual or auditory notification.

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by saalweachter on Thursday September 26, 2019 @10:43PM (#21087944)
The LONGEST following distance maintained by Toyota's adaptive cruise control is 50m (at 80 km/h). The short and medium settings are 30m and 40m.

So either (a) the car you drove was defective or (b) you are radically misjudging your following distance. I know you are inclined to assume the former, but keep in mind that humans are terrible at judging distances when moving at high speeds, and most people leave way too little space between them and the car in front of them.

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by SECProto on Thursday September 26, 2019 @11:01PM (#21088030)
I make a habit of counting seconds between cars (particularly in light traffic, which is also the only time I'm using cruise control), aiming for the standard 5s follow. At 90km/hr (25m/s), you're telling me Toyota's cruise control has a maximum follow distance of 2 seconds? That is incorrect from my experience (and unsafe from standard driving practice). Where did you get that number?
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by saalweachter on Thursday September 26, 2019 @11:06PM (#21088043)
I looked it up in the owners manual for the Toyota Corolla available online.

(While I haven't driven a Toyota Corolla with adaptive cruise control, I have driven a Subaru Forester, which uses roughly the same following distance; I find it to be a little closer than I'd prefer on my own, but accept it for the convenience and because I assume it can get away with a shorter following distance, since it is not reliant on human reflexes to stop in an emergency.)

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by Too on Friday September 27, 2019 @12:30AM (#21088446)
You are not going to get to your destination faster by staying closer to the car in front of you. You'll still be restricted to 90 minus 10 km/h.

Not that this is even a problem in the fist place, I've used dozens of cars with ACC, no Toyota in particular though, and all of them allow adjusting within almost armreach close to a long 5sec gap. Put closer distance in heavy traffic to prevent lane jumping in front of you and 5 sec for comfortable highway cruising.

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by SECProto on Friday September 27, 2019 @08:32AM (#21091164)
Most of my cruise control driving is on very low traffic volume divided highways. With regular cruise control, if the distance to a car gets smaller, I know there is a speed differential and I can slow down or pass, as appropriate. With the adaptive cruise control, the system as decided for me that slowing down is the correct option, generally before I've gotten close to where I would normally pull out to pass. With the long follow distance and the very gentle deceleration, I generally don't realize the system has slowed me down. This would be good as long as slowing down is the decision I want, but my cruise is generally set at the speed limit and I'm slowed by someone driving slower when the conditions don't warrant.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by bashinator on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:54PM (#21087421)
How far back is that? I generally try to leave at least 10 car-lengths in fast traffic, 3-5 in heavy traffic.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by SECProto on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:10PM (#21087506)
I leave quite a reasonable distance. The issue to me is it slows down before that with no cue, so I occasionally look down to find i'm somehow going 20km under the speed limit, a hundred meters behind whatever is in front of me.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by leesec on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:15PM (#21087123)
That's cool man. I hope you enjoy your Toyota Corolla and I hope one day you can be happy for people who also enjoy their cars.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by bobsil1 on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:16PM (#21087129)
Does it steer and lane center in general, besides when you drift out of lane?
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by FireBeyond on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:27PM (#21087221)
Current cars that have lane centering and steering at all speeds:

* All Acura models

* All Audi models

* BMW 5/6/7/X3/X4

* Cadillac CT6

* Ford Edge

* All Honda models (mostly at higher speed)

* ... and so on.

Source: https://www.cars.com/articles/which-cars-have-self-driving-f...

This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered, to the obnoxious.

The last time I went through this was with a Tesla owner who swore that every other car's Blind Spot monitoring sucked, because "only Tesla paid attention to the speed of the car in the blind spot", which is... false. Even my 2015 A4 had adaptive blind spot monitoring.

Most to all mid to high end vehicles have all this stuff. Tesla isn't miraculous in automotive technology. Which isn't to say they haven't done great things. But even reading this list... ugh. Was the ability to watch Netflix or sing "Car-aoke" the most demanded of new features for Tesla owners?

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by xedeon on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:59PM (#21087451)
> This notion, particularly among Tesla owners, that active lane centering and steering is a Tesla exclusive, is at times wilfully blindered, to the obnoxious.

Autopilot is more than just "active lane centering and steering" (known as LKAS) Autopilot is a combination of a lot of things (TACC + Autosteer + Auto Lane Change + Auto Lane Keep + NOA etc...)

Autosteer is also way ahead of everything else out there right now. The competition is mainly just TACC and basic LKAS.

For example, I am yet to see so other cars perform in conditions like this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/d32eo3/autopil...

> Most to all mid to high end vehicles have all this stuff

Yeah mostly an extra option and costs $$$. Basic autopilot and a ton of safety features are FREE on Tesla. It's actually pathetic how other car manufacturers charge for advanced safety features.

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by FireBeyond on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:10PM (#21087507)
> Autopilot is more then just "active lane centering and steering" (known as LKAS) Autopilot is a combination of a lot of things (TACC + Autosteer + Auto Lane Change + Auto Lane Keep + NOA etc...)

Yes, it is. The parent just made a dismissive, " Does it steer and lane center in general, besides when you drift out of lane?", implying that other cars don't.

Other cars also have other features beyond LKAS, too. That's just the focus of this article.

> For example, I am yet to see so other cars perform in conditions like this:

"Removed because there's no way to verify it was actually autopilot performing the maneuver. We are going to make a rule where future dashcam autopilot vids will be removed."

> Yeah mostly an extra option and costs $$$. Basic autopilot and a ton of safety features are FREE on Tesla.

And basic intelligent services and safety are free/standard on most new cars too. While advanced features might cost money, so too does advanced autopilot on a Tesla too, so let's not act like there's that much of a difference. What are some of these "basic safety features" that are free on a Tesla that "other manufacturers [pathetically] charge for"?

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by tyrbo on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:29AM (#21089994)
Just to follow up on the reddit post, the author of the post submitted another one with an additional video with more angles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/d3yx03/round_2...

Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by xedeon on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:54AM (#21090116)
Thanks! No other car that you can buy right now can do that. I will eat my words if proven otherwise.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by igrekel on Friday September 27, 2019 @08:58AM (#21091392)
as far as I know, when I got my M3, auto lane change was not part of autopilot but has been moved to the full self driving package.
Re:Tesla Software Version 10.0 by bobsil1 on Friday September 27, 2019 @12:20AM (#21088387)
Acura LKAS ≠ autosteer. LKAS turns itself off after 15-45 secs.

The question was genuine, not dismissive, as I haven't heard of many autosteer systems in production cars. There are a handful AFAIK.