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Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by rosybox on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:00PM (#20773498)
I don't really understand when you already have billions of dollars why having more billions of dollars even matters anymore. How is more billions going to change your standard of living? You can buy two islands instead of just one? When you have so much money, how is getting more money a motivation?
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by hannasanarion on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:31PM (#20774326)
Larry Ellison is a particularly greedy bastard. You could make a James Bond movie with him as the villain and nobody would notice.

He owns an island in Hawaii where the locals work for him as de facto serfs.

He has donated to two charities in his life: one to Stanford in exchange for not admitting fault in an options backdating scandal, and one to set up a charitable foundation to research ways to extend his own life.

The mission statements and internal marching orders at Oracle and his various other companies is "make lots of money for Larry". Nothing else matters, they will screw the users, screw the customers, screw the product, screw the employees, screw the open source community, screw the legal system, as long as there's revenue for Larry, the bosses are happy bacause that's all that the company exists for.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by bscphil on Friday August 23, 2019 @01:10AM (#20774669)
Or, as the classic Bryan Cantrill line goes, "Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by tjpnz on Friday August 23, 2019 @12:10AM (#20774453)
For a second I thought you were describing Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley - turns out the character is based on Ellison.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by throwaway2048 on Friday August 23, 2019 @12:52AM (#20774607)
The movie version of Tony stark/Iron Man is pretty much explicitly based on Larry Ellison because they wanted to make a super hero out of one of the least likeable people possible.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by goatinaboat on Friday August 23, 2019 @01:50AM (#20774845)
Hence the saying One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by a_imho on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:23AM (#20775224)
What else should for profit companies exist for?
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by hannasanarion on Friday August 23, 2019 @11:06AM (#20778372)
Most companies at least pretend to have a mission aside from making money.

If you go to a major bank and ask "why do you exist", they'll give you a whole spiel about how they help people achieve fiscal stability, they help new businesses get established and bring new products to market, they help people grow their retirement funds, providing services so that the world can be a better place, yada yada yada.

Google will tell you "We help people find information, and we help businesses find an audience for their products, and we make pocket-size computing cheap and available for everyone all over the world, and we hope that the sum of these activities will make the world a better place"

If you go to Oracle and say "why do you exist" they'll simply say "we make money". That's it. They don't have a mission, they're not trying to make the world a better place, they just want to make money.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by t-writescode on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:34AM (#20775273)
For profit companies should exist for whatever they want to exist for, as long as they can stay alive.

Public companies, on the other hand, apparently have a legal obligation to make as much money as possible, a feature I find despicable.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by chalst on Friday August 23, 2019 @08:25AM (#20776770)
The idea that company directors have a fiduciary duty to maximise shareholder value is mostly a myth: it is one of those ideas that many economists like that seem to simplify things but actually can't be made to work. James Kwak has a nice article (Medium, sorry) on this

https://medium.com/bull-market/there-is-no-effective-fiducia...

> The specific fiduciary duties of corporate directors...are common law: legal principles that have been established by courts in the process of adjudicating cases over the years. As it turns out, in Delaware, which is the state that matters—not only because most large corporations are incorporated there, but because courts in other states tend to look to Delaware law when dealing with new issues of corporate law—there are exactly two fiduciary duties: the duty of loyalty and the duty of care.

> They duty of care is basically the duty to pay attention to your job: in essence, to make decisions on the basis of reasonably adequate information. There is an academic controversy—fueled by careless uses of language by the courts—about whether the standard of conduct is negligence or gross negligence. But the point here is that the duty of care isn’t a duty to do any particular thing, such as maximize profits.

> The duty of loyalty is marginally more complicated. This duty (like the duty of care) existed in agency law—the law governing the relationship between agents, such as employees, and principals, such as companies—before corporations became widespread in the nineteenth century. There, the duty of loyalty essentially meant that you couldn’t use your position as an agent to make a personal profit—by stealing directly from the principal, via a transaction with the principal, or, in the famous case of Reading v. Regem, by using your British Army uniform to help smugglers during your off hours.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by Xixi on Friday August 23, 2019 @09:59AM (#20777668)
For profit companies (including public companies) can be established to pursue any lawful purpose. They are absolutely not required to make as much money as possible.

"While it is certainly true that a central objective of for-profit corporations is to make money, modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not do so. For-profit corporations, with ownership approval, support a wide variety of charitable causes, and it is not at all uncommon for such corporations to further humanitarian and other altruistic objectives. Many examples come readily to mind. So long as its owners agree, a for-profit corporation may take costly pollution-control and energy-conservation measures that go beyond what the law requires."

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/13-354#OPINION...

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by vonmoltke on Friday August 23, 2019 @09:12AM (#20777147)
> Public companies, on the other hand, apparently have a legal obligation to make as much money as possible, a feature I find despicable.

No, they don't. Please stop spreading this myth.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by a_imho on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:41AM (#20775305)
Right. Is it more despicable if some are upfront about it? Do we need to entertain the idea companies are our friends?
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by andrewflnr on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:20PM (#20773607)
At that point, as far as I can tell, it's just about getting a higher score. It might feel like something more meaningful, even meaningfully greedy or power-hungry, but I think that underneath all the rationalizations it's just the thrill of making that number get bigger.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by cosmodisk on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:33PM (#20773666)
This is what a lot of people misunderstand. Very few,if any at all, people past $1B mark care about money per se. By then they would have bought the houses,the women/men, the cars,boats and whatever else they want. So all those,kind of targets, are gone.The only reason they keep doing it is because money making ( or whatever brings that money) drives them.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by qaq on Thursday August 22, 2019 @09:17PM (#20773827)
"whatever else they want" well unless they want to collect art :) you could blow 1B on a few paintings
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by hkmurakami on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:36PM (#20774125)
Or islands.

Which he has purchased.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by masonic on Friday August 23, 2019 @01:24AM (#20774728)
Or Sports franchises.

He cheaped out on buying the Warriors by, what, $10 million? The franchise has appreciated since by, what, $2 billion?

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by johannes1234321 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @09:54PM (#20773980)
Or the competition on the Forbes list of the richest people.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by aasasd on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:30PM (#20773658)
One curious motivation for amassing money is that your offsprings can spend it.

E.g. Megan Ellison, owner and CEO of Annapurna Pictures, a film producer and executive producer (aka a moneybag) on 35 titles since 2010, including for major directors like Coens, Linklater, Paul Thomas Anderson, Wong Kar-wai, Spike Jonze.

Also Annapurna Interactive's game Gorogoa looks pretty interesting, at least visually—haven't tried it yet.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by abvr on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:40PM (#20774348)
Wow, didn't know that. And gotta agree, at least they've got some great films on that list.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by aasasd on Friday August 23, 2019 @12:54AM (#20774620)
I've gotten curious about the company when started seeing the same logo in films of Coens, Linklater and Jonze. The memorable name also helps.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by MadWombat on Friday August 23, 2019 @11:16AM (#20778487)
I played the game. It is very good. A bit short, but good.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by codazoda on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:57PM (#20773756)
Wut?
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by jjeaff on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:47PM (#20774161)
Larry Ellison's daughter is a big spender.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by twblalock on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:28PM (#20773651)
People with that attitude would never bust their butts to get billions in the first place. Most of the people who have earned that kind of money are not the kind of people who would stop trying to earn even more.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by chasontherobot on Thursday August 22, 2019 @09:35PM (#20773910)
Its true, addiction is a troubling disease
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by dredmorbius on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:16PM (#20773587)
Wealth at that level isn't cardinal, it's ordinal.

"Wealth, as Mr Hobbes says, is power."

-- Adam Smith

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by felipemnoa on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:05PM (#20773525)
It is about winning. The money is just a way of keeping score.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by dagw on Friday August 23, 2019 @07:19AM (#20776330)
When you have so much money, how is getting more money a motivation?

Because the more you have the higher up the scoreboard you move. If you're the 17th richest person in the world, moving into the top 10 is probably a massive motivator, and once you're the 7th richest I bet you lie awake at night scheming how to get into the top 5.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by danans on Thursday August 22, 2019 @09:10PM (#20773798)
> When you have so much money, how is getting more money a motivation?

Power over even more other people, for better or for worse.

Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by wstrange on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:03PM (#20773514)
Being richer than Bezos or Buffet
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by jjeaff on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:48PM (#20774165)
He must realize that ain't happening. He's squeezing the last bit out of Oracle before it gets crushed by it's incumbents.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by PopeDotNinja on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:29PM (#20774313)
The drive many have to acquire billions in assets doesn't go away after they acquire billions of dollars.
Re:Oracle directors give blessing to shareholder lawsuit aga... by MadWombat on Friday August 23, 2019 @11:13AM (#20778463)
Because being motivated to make money is what made you rich in the first place? I write code for a living. If tomorrow I wake up independently wealthy, I might quit my job, but I will not stop writing code.