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Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by NickGerleman on Sunday August 11, 2019 @07:48PM (#20671286)
I’m a bit surprised Chrome developers went the route of an in memory filesystem instead of trying to sandbox and clear real disk access. Silently using up to 120MB without realizing sounds pretty bad.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by foota on Sunday August 11, 2019 @08:04PM (#20671363)
You can't allow for bytes to sit around on disk in case of crash.

Maybe they could encrypt with a key kept in memory? That'd still allow detection of use though.

Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by sgentle on Monday August 12, 2019 @02:57AM (#20673094)
I wonder if the privacy threat model includes being able to prove that you used incognito mode at all, when, or how much. I can imagine all sorts of leaks in that regard (how many incognito disk files were created, size/ctime/mtime, system logging, indexes etc). None of these would require physical access to the machine at the time of incognito browsing, just subsequently.

Might seem like an incidental concern, but being able to vacuum up a pattern of incognito sessions from a seized laptop (at a border crossing, say) and correlate it with the activity of an online pseudonym could be pretty useful.

Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by oconnor663 on Sunday August 11, 2019 @09:51PM (#20671822)
You could encrypt both the regular one and the incognito one, with the only difference being that you persist the key for the regular one.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by Reason077 on Monday August 12, 2019 @07:29AM (#20674428)
> "You can't allow for bytes to sit around on disk in case of crash."

Just check periodically (at startup?) for orphaned temporary storage data. I'm sure there are other parts of the browser that need to do this sort of thing anyway - expired cache data, for example.

Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by foota on Tuesday August 13, 2019 @06:04PM (#20690714)
Sure, but those are a different use case.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by samtheprogram on Sunday August 11, 2019 @08:43PM (#20671534)
Why not just use a temporary file system like /tmp?

EDIT: I suppose these are often backed by memory anyway, so not sure if this would solve the problem, but interested in hearing arguments around it nonetheless.

Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by TylerE on Sunday August 11, 2019 @08:49PM (#20671563)
Because there is zero guarantee /tmp gets cleared regularly, if ever.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by stronglikedan on Monday August 12, 2019 @12:35PM (#20677022)
But that onus is on the OS, not the browser.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by TylerE on Monday August 12, 2019 @02:21PM (#20678298)
Exactly? The browser shouldn't depend on the OS to DTRT.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by tylergetsay on Sunday August 11, 2019 @09:19PM (#20671690)
Firefox will cache videos from sites like YouTube in /tmp last I checked.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by Rapzid on Sunday August 11, 2019 @10:28PM (#20671950)
On the surface this sounds like a good approach. The overhead of encryption should be very consistent and get buried in general file-system latency.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by JaRail on Monday August 12, 2019 @01:42AM (#20672747)
The point of incognito was never to hide that fact from the sites you're visiting. The point was to not leave a trace on the machine you're doing it from. Basically, it's for porn, not news.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by Mindwipe on Monday August 12, 2019 @05:33AM (#20673842)
Yeah, it's weird to do this strategic about turn on it. It feels very much like the personal grievance of someone on the Chrome team rather than a thought through feature.
Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by robocat on Sunday August 11, 2019 @08:38PM (#20671512)
But it is super easy to use 120MB by including images or other resources, or by creating elements, SVG, javascript etc.

A browser requires a generic solution to prevent denial of service due to excessive resource consumption.

Re:Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected by Rapzid on Sunday August 11, 2019 @10:25PM (#20671940)
If it were actually the case that these detection methods were not known when they shipped the in-memory storage solution.. I would find that incredible.