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Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by ProAm on Monday August 05, 2019 @05:31PM (#20619229)
I wish google would provide an idea of product supported lifetimes similar to the LTS releases we see from Ubuntu. Give us a product and tell it will be supported until at least XX/XX/XX date.

I simply do not use google products beyond search and maps because I can't trust they'll be around without significant changes (gmail) or discontinuation.

Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by cauthon on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:12PM (#20619653)
What's the recommended gmail alternative for personal email?
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by jedberg on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:27PM (#20619805)
Honestly, Hotmail isn't too bad these days. I have to use it for a mail account I manage for someone else, and it's pretty on par with Gmail. Not quite there, but pretty close. And since it's from Microsoft, you know that it will be supported for a long time.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by JJMcJ on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:05PM (#20620651)
Now called Outlook, so you don't even have to worry about the slightly dubious @hotmail.com address.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by JeremyBanks on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:44PM (#20621274)
I think you mean "retro". ;)
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by Smithalicious on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @12:47AM (#20622217)
I prefer "vintage"
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by belltaco on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @03:36AM (#20623036)
Vintage would be @aol.com
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by Whack-kneed on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @10:15AM (#20625328)
Going one step further you can have an archaic email address using Juno (still laying, not that you asked) or Bigfoot.com (still works but company resold many times)
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by 1-6 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:35AM (#20623673)
Having an @hotmail address no longer makes you look prehistoric on a résumé. There are probably as much (or even more) stupid internet users on @gmail.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by delusional on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:33PM (#20619870)
Your mail is probably the single most important service you have on the internet. Pay for something, or host it yourself.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by pixelperfect on Monday August 05, 2019 @09:24PM (#20621161)
That's actually the reason why I use Gmail instead of switching to a smaller email service - it's "too big to fail," I don't think Gmail will be discontinued for as long as Google exists, even if it became somewhat unprofitable, due to the outrage and class action lawsuits that would result.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by ceejayoz on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:03PM (#20620644)
Hosting yourself is a good way to have half your sent emails never arrive.

Own the domain name, but let one of the big players handle deliverability for you.

Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by v7p1Qbt1im on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:39AM (#20625037)
This. I use my own domain names with gsuite and protonmail.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by m-p-3 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:37AM (#20625016)
Hosting an email server in these days with DMARC, SPF, DKIM and all those mail filtering blacklist is is world of pain but that's the price to pay for reduced spam I guess.

I wish there was a modern protocol equivalent with authentication builtin.

Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by jjeaff on Monday August 05, 2019 @10:32PM (#20621571)
Paying for it has its risks as well. If you are unable to access for an extended amount of time (injury, travel, etc) and your payment method becomes invalid, it could cause your account to be shut down.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by nine_k on Monday August 05, 2019 @11:28PM (#20621872)
This is a valid concern. I would pay for a year in advance at least.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by ProAm on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:12PM (#20619657)
FastMail
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by d33 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @05:00AM (#20623486)
(...) a company located in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastMail

Big wall of NOPE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Australia

Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by eridius on Monday August 05, 2019 @07:38PM (#20620453)
I second the Fastmail recommendation. Not only has their service been great, but they're also actively working on improving email for everyone (for example with all their work on introducing and standardizing JMAP).
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by rswail on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @04:43AM (#20623399)
I third the Fastmail recommendation. Just changed over to use their app on my phone as well, much better folder management etc than Apple's native app.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by eridius on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @02:59PM (#20628338)
I used to be in the "no webmail" camp until I started using Fastmail. I now find myself keeping a Safari pinned tab to their webmail and using it as my primary email interface.

Also speaking of mobile apps, Fastmail actually supports push notifications for email in Apple Mail. I'm not aware of any other third party email provider that's ever done that (I believe Yahoo! has support for that but Apple did that themselves when the iPhone first came out).

Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by Scoundreller on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:26PM (#20619799)
Wish Mozilla would go down this road.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by m-p-3 on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:38AM (#20625030)
Oh I would pay for that. I was also looking at Librem One.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by vzaliva on Monday August 05, 2019 @06:35PM (#20619887)
protonmail
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by nothrabannosir on Monday August 05, 2019 @08:18PM (#20620737)
Seconded, and it sends a great signal to the market that people value privacy. With actual money.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by antisemiotic on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @09:46AM (#20625094)
Also another Europe-based provider: Runbox.
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by Whack-kneed on Tuesday August 06, 2019 @10:16AM (#20625338)
Tutanota.com
Re:Google Discontinues Hangouts on Air by praneshp on Monday August 05, 2019 @11:21PM (#20621834)
Fastmail. I can vouch for them, having used them since 2014, including after a recent re-design.