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Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by jotto on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:36PM (#20548388)
Can someone explain the basics? Why buy a bond if it loses money? Why not hold cash?
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by anonuser123456 on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:47PM (#20548461)
Cash holdings still have risk for large amounts of capital. For example, if you had 1,000,000 in cash at a bank, it's only guaranteed up to 250,000. The other 750,000 is as risky as the institution. Compare this to a US treasury, which is substantially safer than any individual institution.

Banks can and do fail, particularly during crisis... and during a crisis safe bonds (e.g. US Treasuries) will gain in value.

I think there are a lot of people (like myself) that think it's only a matter of time before another major crisis... and are waiting to buy stocks at a steep discount.

Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by beamatronic on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:53PM (#20548487)
This last part just has the effect of increasing the large amount of cash that ultimately someone is responsible for safe keeping in the meantime.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by dawhizkid on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:42PM (#20548429)
Bank accounts are only FDIC insured (or equivalent) up to some limit. If you have hundreds of millions and would otherwise stuff that in a bank account buying bonds are a safe alternative to get around that limit.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by why_only_15 on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:03PM (#20548560)
That doesn't really make sense, because if you have hundreds of millions of dollars you can just hold the money yourself.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by Dylan16807 on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:11PM (#20548604)
Vaults cost money. Insurance costs money. And it's still not quite as safe. The ability to hold the money yourself acts as a soft cap on how negative rates can be, but that cap is not at 0%.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by BurningFrog on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:57PM (#20548860)
OK, but is that really who is buying all these bonds?
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by dawhizkid on Sunday July 28, 2019 @03:32PM (#20549400)
Yes, institutional money is driving push into bonds, not retail investors/individuals.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by BurningFrog on Sunday July 28, 2019 @07:30PM (#20550407)
Thanks. That clarifies this for me!
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by mars4rp on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:43PM (#20548439)
Because holding cash costs money, you need to have a big place to stash it and keep it secure. Some banks are trying to do that though, but it is not easy to do in scale of billions.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by UncleEntity on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:03PM (#20548562)
Banks hold their excess reserves at the Federal Reserve[0] and receive interest on top, currently 2.35%. Scales up to at least a couple trillion give or take a few hundred billion.

[0] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WRESBAL

Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by toast0 on Sunday July 28, 2019 @02:45PM (#20549152)
European banks hold their excess reserves (or at least their required minimum reserves) at the European Central Bank or their country's central bank; all of which are currently charging interest for the privilege.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by luminaobscura on Sunday July 28, 2019 @02:49PM (#20549169)
Hold cash how?

If you mean holding in a bank. Some European banks are already charging negative rates for large deposits. They have to, because ECB is charging them. You see, all money is either physical or credit or excess reserves deposited at ECB. There is no electronic money outside of ECB system.

If you mean physical, it's also costly. Vaults, protection etc. And to make this option harder, they cancelled the 500 Euro. If people starts piling up 200s, they will cancel that too.

Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by mmwelt on Monday July 29, 2019 @12:06AM (#20551436)
How about in 1000 Swiss franc[1] notes? Perhaps this is also a reason why the Swiss franc rises so much in times of uncertainty?

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-snb-banknote/cash-crazy-s...

Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by ksherlock on Sunday July 28, 2019 @01:15PM (#20548618)
some banks also have negative interest rates on large deposits.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by technobum on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:40PM (#20548416)
Imagine Venezuela before the hyperinflation.
Re:A Black Hole Engulfing the World's Bond Markets by your-nanny on Sunday July 28, 2019 @12:47PM (#20548462)
why