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Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by hprotagonist on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:24AM (#20535471)
It was obvious that tattooing was undergoing a change: it was becoming professional and increasingly skilled. The increasing skill of it appalled me, for what should not be done at all is all the worse for being done well.

Well, fuck you too, friend!

We've found ink on the bodies of priests, shamans, warriors and kings going back as far as there have been humans. Both sexes. Nearly any culture you'd care to name.

Why the visceral hate?

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by oddeyed on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:31AM (#20535520)
Pretty typical for Standpoint. It's a Britsh, culturally conservative magazine, so the default position you might expect is that anything that Her Majesty wouldn't approve of is morally abhorrent
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by mprev on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:51AM (#20535683)
While Standpoint is culturally conservative, the way you've worded it implies that because it is British it necessarily mean that it is culturally conservative. A version of this could equally have appeared in a publication from any English speaking nation.

However, the author -- Theodore Dalrymple (not his real name) -- is a particularly interesting character.

He is almost exclusively pessimistic about humanity, with a particular dislike of anyone less fortunate than himself. He seems to believe that everyone ends up in life where they deserve, taking to an extreme the idea of personal responsibility, and draws on his experience as a prison doctor to try to excuse his writing career of finding ever new ways to look down on others.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by DanBC on Friday July 26, 2019 @03:52PM (#20537831)
To support your point, here's the wikipedia article about him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple

> Regarding his pseudonym "Theodore Dalrymple", he wrote that he "chose a name that sounded suitably dyspeptic, that of a gouty old man looking out of the window of his London club, port in hand, lamenting the degenerating state of the world"

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by thom on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:30PM (#20536505)
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, I see no misinformation here.
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by InitialLastName on Friday July 26, 2019 @02:17PM (#20537032)
> He seems to believe that everyone ends up in life where they deserve

This is posed as a bad thing, but there are lots of people on this site who tell themselves this very thing.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by thom on Friday July 26, 2019 @03:43PM (#20537768)
Then I very much hope they do indeed get what they deserve.
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by badpun on Friday July 26, 2019 @03:55PM (#20537858)
A world where everybody gets what they deserve is a just world - is that so bad?
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by InitialLastName on Friday July 26, 2019 @04:16PM (#20538010)
I'd say that depends very much on who decides who deserves what.

Justice is inherently malleable and subjective. It's a thing we humans (as a society) decide to do to one another. As far as I can tell, it tends to lag the scales we're operating at.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by badpun on Saturday July 27, 2019 @03:47AM (#20540900)
I'm assuming it would happen automatically - i.e. people would be judged by all-knowing and impartial external parties (angels, aliens etc.) - otherwise of course it cannot happen, i.e. of course people alone can never implement true justice.

As for defining what is just - this is obviously a huge subject studied by philosophers - but I'm assuming that, if we had these all-knowing judges, they could just assess (by scanning thoughts of people) how hard everybody is trying to do good to others. And this way, we would be living in a just world. To repeat my question - would that be so bad?

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by hprotagonist on Friday July 26, 2019 @06:35PM (#20538960)
Yes.
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by philk10 on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:38AM (#20535573)
King Harold II of England had a number of tattoos. After his death at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, his tattoos were used to identify his body.

and more here - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/nigelfarndale...

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by hprotagonist on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:40AM (#20535589)
https://www.tattooarchive.com/history/queen_victoria.php

Edward VII was inked up, with his mother's approval. If it's good enough for the son of Victoria, it should be fine, even for the prudes.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by tzakrajs on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:02PM (#20535783)
I am pretty sure it is a form of British satire to some degree but the author might actually believe some of this too.
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by mprev on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:59PM (#20536266)
The author is all-in on this. His schtick is to look down on everyone who isn't him.
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by ubu7737 on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:26PM (#20535975)
To be perfectly frank: it is our right to be put off by tattoos and the motivations behind them, just as it is your right to have them. Mewling that you are "hated" for your tattoos really just satisfies many of us that you got your tattoo to seem cool, and now you're pouting that most of us don't find you cool.
Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by hprotagonist on Friday July 26, 2019 @12:38PM (#20536077)
You assume i have ink. Interesting.

My point is that it has never been the case that “tattoos are just for scum”, and that the author of this piece is woefully and intentionally unaware of history and culture, even inside the upper crust of his own british milieu.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by CodeCube on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:15PM (#20536379)
There's a huge difference between:

1. Not liking something

and

2. Going out of your way to write a long article detailing all the shortcomings of those that partake in the thing you don't like.

Of course you have the right to dislike tattoos, but that doesn't give anyone the right to tell someone they suck for something they chose because they like it.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by KUcxrAVrtI on Friday July 26, 2019 @01:49PM (#20536708)
> 2. Going out of your way to write a long article detailing all the shortcomings of those that partake in the thing you don't like.

For those able to put words in order that article would take 15 minutes to write and 5 to proof read.

>Of course you have the right to dislike tattoos, but that doesn't give anyone the right to tell someone they suck for something they chose because they like it.

What would you do if the author tattooed that piece on themselves? You now can't tell them they are wrong for hating people with tattoos because it's a tattoo.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by CodeCube on Friday July 26, 2019 @03:46PM (#20537792)
Lol, if the author tattoos themselves, it changes nothing. That would be equivalent to someone chopping off their own limb, getting a prosthesis, and then (being a mental giant that can put words in order) penning an article in 15 minutes (proof reading it for 5 minutes, of course) about why disabled folks shouldn't get prosthesis titled, "the hubris of man".

At the end of the day, keep your opinions about what other people do to/for themselves to yourself ... it's as simple as that. And when you choose to exercise your right to share that unrequested opinion, don't be alarmed when you get a middle finger in your face.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by mattnewport on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:48AM (#20535660)
> Well, fuck you too, friend!

> Why the visceral hate?

Pot, kettle.

Re:The rise of the indelibly-illustrated everyman by jayd16 on Friday July 26, 2019 @11:53AM (#20535699)
Not at all. Its an unprovoked insult versus the retaliation.