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Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Santosh83 on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:20AM (#20486250)
Nobody with an ounce of intelligence can believe for one moment that the most powerful intelligence agencies in the most powerful country of the world will stand idly by and watch a protocol/network be completely opaque for them. Whether there is evidence or not (in such cases there may never be enough evidence), it is safe to assume that many if not most Tor exit nodes are govt run (various govts), and one or more of the top intelligence agencies of the world can break Tor by more than one method. The only form of safe communication is one that relies on old fashioned and proven methods, utilising code and algo that has been scrutinised by researchers from many nations. People really wanting to be anonymous will do well to be wary of heavily 'promoted' solutions.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by nameismypw on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:01PM (#20486503)
1. Controlling the exit nodes doesn't mean anything unless they can use it to perform correlation attacks (because TLS, GPG, etc. Exit nodes are considered malicious regardless of who owns them.)

2. Using hidden services obviates the problem of exit nodes.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by wongarsu on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:14PM (#20486580)
Controlling just the exit nodes doesn't mean much, but by controlling the majority of all nodes you break TOR. If I controll all nodes your connection uses I can trivially deanonymize you (even if you use hidden services). It has also been shown multiple time that it is enough to control the first and the last node of the connection because timing correlation works great.

The upside is that no government would admit to having this capability, so your only worries are extrajudicial measures (e.g. the US does plenty of extrajudicial killings of middle easterners with its drone program) and parallel construction.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by vbezhenar on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:33PM (#20486733)
Running Tor exit node is dangerous. Very few people would dare to do so. Most of hosters will forbid that.

Now running ordinary Tor node is not dangerous. It does not consume a lot of resources (I'm running node on 256 MB OpenBSD VPS) and hosters don't care at all. It takes few minutes to install and set it up.

So there's absolutely no reason for people not to run Tor node on every server they have access to. And I'm sure that many people do. So I doubt that government control majority of Tor nodes.

If you operate a server, consider installing Tor node. It does no harm, it consumes as much of bandwidth as you will configure and you probably have a lot of unused resources anyway.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by wongarsu on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:01PM (#20486926)
The flipside of that is that it's reasonable to assume that most (not government run) TOR nodes are run at hosters offering cheap small VPS with cheap traffic and high bandwidth. That gives a few select datacenters where sniffing and correlating network traffic is extremely beneficial for deanonymizing TOR traffic. And if the datacenter operator doesn't cooperate and isn't vulnerable to covert sniffing there are always their uplink providers.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by samstave on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:42PM (#20487190)
"That gives a few select datacenters where sniffing and correlating network traffic"

Uh,

This was the whole premise of Carnivore... installed in room 641A

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

(Btw - this is the room that Twitter was originally routed through...)

Basically I take the defeatest stance at this point...

There is NO privacy or anon. It doesnt exist any longer.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by lozaning on Saturday July 20, 2019 @08:02PM (#20489078)
I ran a TOR exit node at home for a while, I don't recommend it.

Within 30 minutes of my public IP changing, CloudFlare would get wind of it again and then it'd be back to hitting a captcha for 75% of all of my own NOR tor traffic with the same origin IP as a TOR exit node. This among myriad other misadventures resulted in me shutting it off after ~6 months.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by krageon on Tuesday July 23, 2019 @03:20AM (#20505062)
> Running Tor exit node is dangerous. Very few people would dare to do so. Most of hosters will forbid that.

Even in the richest parts (relevant because they love forbidding things) of the EU you can find hosters that accept tor exit nodes. As for it being dangerous, that is kind of a spurious argument. Why do you think it is dangerous? Do you know because you tried, or do you "know" because you heard someone tell you it was?

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by citrin_ru on Sunday July 21, 2019 @11:01AM (#20491582)
> So there's absolutely no reason for people not to run Tor node on every server they have access to.

There is at lest one: list of tor relays IP addresses is public. Some mail servers use this list as an additional source for RBLs (probably people, who are not familiar with tor don't know the difference between exit nodes and relays and bun all just in case). So it is not a good idea to share mail server IP with a tor relay.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by samstave on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:38PM (#20487163)
Im guessing that the .gov doesnt run 'many' of the nodes -- but im guessing they have MAPPED them all out and are 0-day exploiting as many as possible.

THIS is what I would guess a state entitiy would be training an AI to do as a function...

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by throwaway2048 on Saturday July 20, 2019 @05:12PM (#20488407)
Its extremely risky to use 0 days in an indiscriminate manner, especially against targets that are likely to be watching closely.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by jorblumesea on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#20487148)
Govts have almost unlimited resources and willpower. They could easily just detect the tor nodes running, then spin up n /2 + 1 to compensate, giving them majority control. This could be automated.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Mirioron on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:40PM (#20487852)
And if two governments do this at the same time?
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by devxvda on Saturday July 20, 2019 @04:31PM (#20488178)
Then you have 2(n/2+1) = n+2 servers. QED.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by baalimago on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:20PM (#20487735)
Wouldn't the fact that several huge organizations all try to own as many nodes as possible make Tor safer? If more than one org try to gain the majority, everyones share will be lesser. I highly doubt that FSB and NSA are both agreeing that only one of them should be allowed to host a huge amount of nodes.

>The upside is that no government would admit to having this capability

Probably because it's very improbable that they have the capability to do so.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by wongarsu on Saturday July 20, 2019 @05:42PM (#20488555)
TOR isn't like bitcoin where you have to own N/2+1 nodes, you only have to see the traffic of the first and last node in each connection you care about. That means any one node can belong to more than one organization.

Suppose the NSA has a project to deanonymize TOR, so they set up TOR nodes. To be less conspicuous (TOR node ips are monitored for geographic distribution) they set up small clusters in various locations, one of them an apartment in Amsterdam. The FSB manages to get a double agent that installs software in those nodes to send the same information to Russia. India finds a 0-day exploit and installs their own data-extraction on those nodes as well. Since it's an undercover installation in Amsterdam usual US government rules don't apply and the ISP used uses Huawei networking equipment, giving China a way to listen in as well. Meanwhile the ISP itself is run by Mossad agents specifically to extract dutch traffic for Israeli analysis, and they struck gold with this NSA op choosing them because they are cheap and have no data cap. The ISP routes the traffic to the internet backbone, where most of it will pass through a GCHQ facility on the British coast.

That's 6 different agencies using the same pair of nodes to deanonymize TOR users, without any deliberate data sharing.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by belorn on Saturday July 20, 2019 @04:50PM (#20488288)
> because timing correlation works great

I have read that research. It works great in a controlled environment without the parallel requests of modern browsers, where packages all arrive in order, and where a high rate of false positives are acceptable. Outside of a lab settings the research gets much more muddy and more speculative that it maybe can be used, but I have yet to see an actually experiment that demonstrate it.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by badrabbit on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:14PM (#20486579)
Browser exploits and fingerprinting for when you get off Tor and use the same browser have been used in the past by exit nodes.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by creato on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:00PM (#20487646)
I was pretty confused, because the title mentions "FSB", but all of this discussion in this thread is about the US. I literally assumed that FSB must be an acronym for some US intelligence agency I don't know of. Then I went and read the article, and it really is about the Russian FSB.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by asveikau on Saturday July 20, 2019 @06:59PM (#20488858)
A bunch of the comments are saying multiple governments and using lots of plurals. If you are reading such comments and assuming they only mean US I think you are misreading.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by walshemj on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:53PM (#20487924)
You would have to avoided a lot of media and news not to know what the FSB is
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by some_random on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:13PM (#20487698)
The majority of people don't read the articles posted, only the titles. Most TLAs are American, so if you don't know what the FSB is then "a US IC org" is a pretty safe guess.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by bigiain on Saturday July 20, 2019 @07:57PM (#20489056)
I don't agree. I see that as a very US-centric view of the world.

  ASD
  CSE
  GCHQ
  GCSB
  NSA

  FVEY
(I'm seriously considering getting some of those made as tshirts...)

only one of FVEY is a US IC org. See also Nine Eyes and Fourteen Eyes.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by darawk on Saturday July 20, 2019 @09:21PM (#20489368)
What's interesting about this is that, in a competitive marketplace of governments attempting to do this...they'll actually make the network more secure.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by AlphaSite on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:16PM (#20486591)
I guess one benefit of this is only one country can control a majority of nodes.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Fnoord on Saturday July 20, 2019 @05:13PM (#20488411)
Perhaps other countries can use the same vulnerability or point of entry. Either way that one country can tip allies with valuable data.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by tgragnato on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:25PM (#20487080)
... What about a group of countries?
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by owenmarshall on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:15PM (#20487706)
I can think of five (or should I say FVEY) that would have the combined means and interest.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Spooky23 on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:18PM (#20487381)
Tor was created for intelligence.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by lucb1e on Saturday July 20, 2019 @05:00PM (#20488335)
"Against", not "for". It was against the enemy being able to get intelligence about communications. And it was also not created for an intelligence agency, in case what's how you meant it. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here.

If Tor was made for intelligence (agencies), why would anyone ever use it? Makes no sense.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Spooky23 on Saturday July 20, 2019 @06:00PM (#20488637)
It was extensively funded by DARPA and the Navy and released to the public so that there would be other users.

I’m not suggesting that the code of Tor is compromised, as it has been under the control of others for years. I am suggesting that military/intelligence interests have been associated with the network from the beginning and no doubt have significant presence in terms of infrastructure, etc.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by paulryanrogers on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:27PM (#20487445)
So what does the US Navy use now?
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by onetimemanytime on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:28AM (#20486311)
How do various embassies contact the mothership? I heard that a lot of them use TOR, and for smaller countries it makes sense. Big countries I suppose have their brew (which is not necessarily safer.)
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dogma1138 on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:38AM (#20486386)
Not a single intelligence agency or diplomatic service will rely on ToR for security that’s madness.

A properly configured commercial or open source VPN is considerably more reliable and secure than ToR since you have no idea who is listening on the exit nodes or who can execute unmasking attacks by traffic shaping or monitoring if they control enough relays.

For the most part any country which can perform intelligence collection out of its embassy will have sufficient budget and and technical capacity to develop their own secure means of phoning home.

Also for highly sensitive material a diplomatic pouch is still the most secure means of transport as it never leaves your sight and is never inspected and if you do get intercepted then destroying physical media is much easier than securing network traffic to the same level of assurance.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dontbenebby on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:21PM (#20486631)
>Not a single intelligence agency or diplomatic service will rely on ToR for security that’s madness... For the most part any country which can perform intelligence collection out of its embassy will have sufficient budget and and technical capacity to develop their own secure means of phoning home.

The CIA has it's own onion service: ciadotgov4sjwlzihbbgxnqg3xiyrg7so2r2o3lt5wz5ypk4sxyjstad.onion

Tor was developed by the US naval research lab, it was opened up because an anonymity network only spooks use isn't anonymous.

Smart intelligence agencies are not going to reinvent the wheel (or in this case, the onion router).

>A properly configured commercial or open source VPN is considerably more reliable and secure than ToR since you have no idea who is listening on the exit nodes

If traffic is encrypted this does not matter. (HTTPS also provides integrity checking to show messages were not modified in transit)

Also, traffic to onion services does not exit the Tor network - there is no "exit node"

>Also for highly sensitive material a diplomatic pouch is still the most secure means of transport as it never leaves your sight and is never inspected and if you do get intercepted then destroying physical media is much easier than securing network traffic to the same level of assurance.

They may use diplomatic pouches for especially sensitive information, but the need for low latency communication is strong. What's more likely is that one time pad codes for said communications are sent via pouch, and the communication itself then goes over Tor or some other channel.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by X6S1x6Okd1st on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:20PM (#20487731)
Why would embassies need to be anonymous?

If I needed to design a secure system that didn't need to be anonymous I'd just have it send a HD full of random in a diplomatic pouch & ensure that the packets are sent with encrypted 0s if there isn't anything to say.

And that's only if you think that there isn't a safe pubic key protocol.

Bitcoin's security model relies on public key encryption & there is an extremely large bounty on breaking it. There doesn't seem to be evidence of it being broken yet.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by wincy on Saturday July 20, 2019 @09:48PM (#20489468)
Wow I wonder how much compute it took them to generate that hidden service name.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by crtasm on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:30AM (#20491050)
I tried one of the older, shorter .onion addresses once out of interest. Didn't take long on a laptop to get a specified 7 characters at the beginning.

I don't know how much the longer .onions affects generation time - anyone?

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dontbenebby on Sunday July 21, 2019 @08:36AM (#20491066)
Is there a script to do that or did you roll your own?
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by crtasm on Sunday July 21, 2019 @10:14AM (#20491395)
I used https://github.com/katmagic/Shallot back then and it took 35221958203 attempts to find one with my chosen seven characters.

For the longer v3 .onions you'll want a different tool, this page mentions some and makes some estimates for finding increasing lengths of characters: https://www.jamieweb.net/blog/onionv3-vanity-address/

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by paulryanrogers on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:29PM (#20487466)
HTTPS with SNI leaks what one visits, and if an adversary controls enough of the network they could also use timing attacks.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dontbenebby on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:43PM (#20487546)
Yes but why would you use a single hop VPN instead of Tor? Wouldn't both leak that?

(Also it's my understanding Tor uses the exit node's DNS server)

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by seisvelas on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:50AM (#20486449)
Unless they communicate via a hidden service, in which case there is no exit node, so that particular problem is easy to avoid.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by mikeash on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:02PM (#20486510)
Tor is an anonymizer. Why would embassies use an anonymizer for communicating back home? Everyone knows they’ll be communicating with home. There’s no point in hiding that. What you want to hide is the content of that communication, which Tor doesn’t do very well. You do that with standard encryption tools.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dontbenebby on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:22PM (#20486644)
Because if you don't know where traffic is going or coming from it's harder to infer what the message is about.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by mikeash on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:17PM (#20487019)
It’s not hard to infer that traffic from an embassy is probably going to their home country.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by quonn on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:36PM (#20486758)
You properly encrypt it and regularly send data (like in a VPN). Done.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dontbenebby on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:51PM (#20486858)
So you're claiming that using a VPN makes correlation attacks impossible? Do you have any sources on this? I'd love to read up to better understand your thinking.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by theamk on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:11PM (#20486983)
Correlation attacks are attacing anonymity. If you are an embassy, there is no need for anonymity. Ok, an embassy connected to vpn.whitehouse.gov and sent 20 gb of data, so what?

(unless you are thinking about high level things, like "lots of traffic" -> "something going on", but tor won't help with that either)

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by deathanatos on Saturday July 20, 2019 @04:17PM (#20488088)
I feel like if I were a network operator for something that sensitive I might send some bursts of traffic to nothing just to keep anyone trying to infer "lots of traffic" → "something going on" on their toes.

(Though certainly things like packet timing, packet size, etc. might make more thorough analyses harder to escape…)

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by bigiain on Saturday July 20, 2019 @08:05PM (#20489093)
I'm now imagining a significant portion of some small country in politically sensitive area's external internet bandwidth being composed entirely of vpn encrypted email with attached Word docs and Powerpoint decks full of "This page left intentionally blank" sent from embassies back to their respective motherships...
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by astrange on Saturday July 20, 2019 @07:58PM (#20489063)
A highly secure connection either uses a fixed-bandwidth pipe or constantly sends random data to avoid correlation like this.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dontbenebby on Saturday July 20, 2019 @01:39PM (#20487175)
>unless you are thinking about high level things, like "lots of traffic" -> "something going on", but tor won't help with that either

But is an embassy always only "phoning home"?

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by ermir on Saturday July 20, 2019 @03:49PM (#20487895)
Yes, it's good practice for an embassy to use a VPN to their home country for 100% of incoming and outgoing traffic (at least that's how I would do it).
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by theamk on Saturday July 20, 2019 @04:34PM (#20488201)
Yes, if you are an embassy, you can be pretty sure that the host country is watching all of your traffic very carefully. Having all the traffic go via VPN is just sanity.

(and for really secure stuff you will want a channel with constant rate, constant size packets, as others said)

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by dclusin on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:22PM (#20486638)
One time pads[1] are an effective and cheap measure. Certain privileged diplomatic luggage (not exactly sure of the protocols) cannot be searched by the host country. You can bring them to your embassies on a regular basis.

1 -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by toxik on Saturday July 20, 2019 @04:26PM (#20488136)
Or just set up an OTP then use the OTP to send new OTPs securely, boom.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by theamk on Saturday July 20, 2019 @04:36PM (#20488213)
If you do this, it is no longer OTP.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by jancsika on Saturday July 20, 2019 @08:30PM (#20489180)
I think it still is:

1. Alice and Bob set up their OTP

2. Alice randomly generates a new OTP

3. Alice encrypts the new OTP with the original OTP and sends the ciphertext to Bob

4. Bob decrypts... the new OTP

5. Alice and Bob burn the original OTP

6. Now Alice and Bob have a copy of the new OTP

I mean, it's pointless. But I don't see how it isn't secure.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by theamk on Saturday July 20, 2019 @10:12PM (#20489553)
For those who do not know exactly how OTP works:

jancsika is right in the sense that this is possible, but meaningless. The reason for that is that in OTP, you use your key ("pad") for every transmission, in 1-to-1 ratio to amount of data being transmitted. And you can only use your key once (hence "one time pad")

So let's say you brought 1000 MB of OTP keys to embassy in diplomatic mail, you can use it to send up to 1000 MB of encrypted data, and then you have to get a new one. If you are low on OTP keys, and you use it to send a new one, you'll have to spend 100 MB of "old" OTP keys to get 100 MB of "new" OTP keys -- entirely pointless process, as amount of unused key data won't change.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by jancsika on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:12PM (#20489758)
On the other hand, if Alice and Bob are just constantly sending each other these messages as a pointless exercise, the traffic they generate by doing so would technically make the exercise rise above the level of pointlessness. :)
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by closeparen on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:34PM (#20487493)
Dedicated fibre, terrestrial radio, commercial and military satellite links. [0] Crypto algorithms implemented in hardware, keys managed by the signals intelligence agency.

The Department of Defense is probably one the largest and most sophisticated telecoms in the world. Cannot have dependencies on local infrastructure in countries you are bombing.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Information_System_Net...

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Santosh83 on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:38AM (#20486385)
I'd be surprised if the big countries used plain Tor for their vital communication. They would be having their own secret networks or tunnel through Tor. Small countries have probably simply given up hiding their intelligence from the big ones at this point and are simply interested in ensuring their immediate rivals are kept out, which Tor can probably do.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Paul-ish on Saturday July 20, 2019 @11:44AM (#20486414)
A custom protocol can potentially be fingerprinted. I wouldn't be surprised if they used something less sophisticated. Like (encrypted) direct messages on twitter/reddit/facebook. This way the traffic blends with the rest.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by nameismypw on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:02PM (#20486505)
There's a companion project to Tor called obs4proxy which is designed to hide the protocol's implementation.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by kijin on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:39PM (#20486779)
It doesn't need to be a completely custom protocol. HTTPS can handle a very large percentage of anyone's communication needs these days.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by Paul-ish on Sunday July 21, 2019 @03:25PM (#20493158)
An application level protocol implemented on top of HTTPS can be fingerprinted. If you look up "Website Traffic Fingerprinting" you will see what I mean. That traffic is encrypted.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by closeparen on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:40PM (#20487531)
For official operations, they would not be using the internet in any way, but their own parallel enterprise networks. Tor could be useful for covert operatives, and for generally weakening the grip of governments where we are inducing "popular" uprisings.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Sunday July 21, 2019 @09:24AM (#20491209)
The fact that the embassy talks to the mothership is not secret.

How much it does so might be, and what it talks certainly is, but that's easily fixed by getting a line with dedicated bandwidth, running an encrypted connection (VPN or something custom) over it, and padding the traffic to ensure the bandwidth usage is constant (if you have a 100 Mbit line and 10 Mbit of traffic, you send 90 Mbit of padding).

The keys for the VPN get delivered via diplomatic courier.

Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by vbezhenar on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:27PM (#20486685)
Why do they need anything more than HTTPS? Just open https://nsa.gov/ and send your data.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by ben_w on Saturday July 20, 2019 @12:40PM (#20486797)
Because that reveals that you are talking to the NSA right now. Sometimes the volume of chatter is useful information in its own right. Sure, you could script something to make the data rate constant, but that might be undesirably expensive and if you do everything over Tor then your video chat with HQ looks indistinguishable from you bit torrenting pirate episodes of My Little Pony.
Re:Hackers breach FSB contractor, expose Tor deanonymization... by MauranKilom on Saturday July 20, 2019 @02:00PM (#20487281)
I can't currently find the place on Wikipedia where I learned this, but an example of "volume of chatter" being important was e.g. before the attack on pearl harbor. While the US couldn't decrypt the internal messages, it was clear that an attack was imminent based on the pattern (including the radio silence) before the attack.