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Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by wruza on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @07:10AM (#20458201)
Living in semi-touristic district, it’s funny to see how locals views differ from tourists. We have a special term for it: local resident syndrome. It’s when someone asks you if there is something interesting to look at here, but you don’t know, despite living here since forever. Well, I can show you where that expensive nightclub is on the map, does it count? I also see people making selfies with decorative street elements (simple installations and/or statues) that were installed, say, a year ago, and really mean nothing, but are perceived as if they had a history. Accidentally hearing what tour guides tell to groups about locals and their traditions is another story.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by fipar on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @08:43AM (#20458798)
> Accidentally hearing what tour guides tell to groups about locals and their traditions is another story.

I have a bit of an extreme-anecdote about this from the late 90s. I had a friend who was working part-time as a tourist guide while studying international relations. He normally gave people an accurate description of things, but one day, IIRC on account of being frustrated with the tourism company that hired him, the described a nice downtown square as "This is Plaza <his name>, in honor of an important 19th century artist".

On the flipside, I live in a semi-touristic district myself, and I often find people taking pictures of some architectural detail, which in turns makes me look at it, and realized I had been walking by the place without really looking at it until then.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by graeme on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @10:41AM (#20459954)
I strongly recommend anyone living in at least a semi-touristic city to get a tour guide for your city and look around. Liekwise, get a list of museums, cultural galleries and other such things.

You can discover many interesting things you had no idea existed.

I did this in Montreal and discovered many little gems in the tourist area I had previously visited, including a lovely museum of the restored house of a 19th century politician. And I found many museums off the beaten track.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by sfkdjf9j3j on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @07:57AM (#20458456)
Ha, I have the exact same experience. I live in a very touristy neighborhood and often get asked for directions to local attractions and landmarks. I usually have to get out my phone and look up directions despite living here for more than three years.

I also see tourists photographing my apartment building all the time. It's not really anything special to me, just an early 20th century walkup with a brick facade on a street of similar buildings. But I guess I'm numb to the charm of it because tourists seem to love it.

The tour guides are pretty funny too. I'm pretty sure at least half of what they say is completely made up.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by maaaats on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @08:04AM (#20458507)
My dad in his youths was a tour guide for bus trips from Sweden down into Europe. He has admitted he made up lots of trivia about the castles and stuff they passed.

He is a history buff, though, knowing "everything" about every king and fight the last centuries in Europe. So I think what he told would be plausible and rooted in truth. But makes me wonder about the stories he told me as a kid, before smart phones that could rebuff his tales.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by henriquemaia on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @08:55AM (#20458873)
Your story reminded me of my experience with my stepdad.

I grew up hearing his descriptions on every conceivable historical event, and I was amazed of how much he seemed to know about everything. At the time I felt that he was truly knowledgeable, and I couldn't even conceive of knowing even a fraction of what he knew.

Then, when I grew older, I finally asked how he managed to know so much. His response? Laughingly, he told me that he made a lot of educated guesses on how things seemed to him!

That was a decisive formative experience for me: so that's how he pulled it off? Now I'm much more relaxed with the degree of detail I can know about things, and I also take what anyone is saying at any one moment with a saltier dose of skepticism. We're all humans after all, and telling tales is deeply rooted in our natures.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by yencabulator on Thursday July 18, 2019 @07:22PM (#20474940)
My dad's routine is to slowly make the story more and more absurd until someone questions him.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by jacobush on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @09:12AM (#20459026)
Are you my stepson?
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by criddell on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @09:15AM (#20459058)
I grew up in an area that had a lot of tourism (Stratford, ON). I always thought it was strange that people would travel so far to visit.

Now when I go home I see the city through new eyes and it really is a charming place. It feels like it would be a really nice place to live. When I did live there, I couldn't wait to leave.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by dylan604 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @10:36AM (#20459891)
I would assume one's age has a lot to do with this. As a younger person, the history of things is just not very high up on the list of things interested in. Especially if the community is perceived as "small town", where all the kids can't wait to leave. However, as one gets older, the history of something becomes much more appreciable. People then realize the "small town" is where they'd rather raise kids, and the cycle repeats.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by ip26 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @06:21PM (#20464630)
Do people commonly move to tiny towns to raise kids? I'm drawn to them but always figure they would not be a good place for kids. Nothing to do, limited schools, little opportunity.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by criddell on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:15AM (#20460333)
It's for sure due to my different perspective.

I still have almost no interest in history, but after living in a bunch of different places I appreciate how Stratford is very clean and well maintained, has no visible homelessness, it is pedestrian and bicycle friendly, and has lots of interesting shops and restaurants. The people that live and work there are shockingly friendly, even by Canadian standards. When I lived there I had nothing to compare it to. I had to leave to find out how nice it really is.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by otoburb on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @04:15PM (#20463515)
>>I grew up in an area that had a lot of tourism (Stratford, ON). I always thought it was strange that people would travel so far to visit.

Just in case people don't know, the Stratford Festival[1] is pretty famous in Ontario, if not all across Canada, as a rather prominant Canadian arts event[2]. It's certainly the main reason our school raised funds on occasion to visit during the festival. It was a big deal for us and we were only 2hrs away by bus.

[1] https://www.stratfordfestival.ca/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratford_Festival

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by lazyant on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @06:32PM (#20464703)
Also (not sure how much tourism this attracts) it's the hometown of Justin Bieber (sorry)
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by iagovar on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @07:35AM (#20458334)
That happend to me too. They take photos of stuff that I didn't pay attention to. Maybe I should take a tour guide of my own city, since there's a lot to see apparently.

Anyway, those maps could also be that way because locals try to avoid tourists. It's not a big deal where I currently live, but it is very annoying in Barcelona, Madrid, etc, that kind of places. Not only because touristy places become pricey or there's too many people, but because some tourists are... special.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by close04 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @07:51AM (#20458419)
Maintaining the same level of curiosity about your city that a tourist has is a challenge. You "just" live and work there, it's hard to get excited about your own city.

Some years ago I tried to be a tourist in my own city and basically treated my weekends like going on a city break as a tourist (helped that it was a city of several million inhabitants and some centuries of history, so it had some potential). I discovered some really wonderful places, sometimes right next to the streets I drove on every day for work. That made a difference for me in how I looked at the city and made my life there just a bit more content.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by darrenf on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @08:18AM (#20458610)
My gf and I started a project to spend a day in each borough of London, a couple of years ago. Originally we were aiming to complete it in one or two years, but life got in the way; it's paused at 16 out of 33 right now. I'm a born and bred Londoner in my mid-40s, and in the course of this (despite only being halfway through) have been to so many places I'd never visited - we research interesting cultural, historical, and alcohol-vending places to visit beforehand and it's ludicrous amounts of fun.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by Angostura on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @08:10AM (#20458550)
> Maybe I should take a tour guide of my own city, since there's a lot to see apparently.

I've done that accompanying friends around London. It's interesting, fun and I highly recommend it.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by dylan604 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @10:38AM (#20459911)
I love my city, and often have people tell me that they feel like I'm a tour guide when I'm showing new people around the city. One of my favorites is that the people got tired of the city flooding, so they just moved the river. Sure, cause, that's what one does.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by mc32 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:18PM (#20461122)
Those Seattle pig and San Francisco heart fiberglass art installations really messed things up touristicly. After that every city has to have some kind of pop symbol tourists could ID as of that city do they could take selfies with it.

That said, implicit in some of the commentary is that tourists miss the local aspect of s city they visit by remaining in tourist areas. My take is that is the whole point of most tourism. They don’t want to see the same humdrum stuff they have in their home cities, they don’t need to know about boring shitty areas or family residential areas. No, they want some foreign entertainment and feel. They want some levity and some pop on their holidays.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by cgriswald on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:39PM (#20461352)
I don’t know when it started but my not-at-all exhaustive list suggests your examples didn’t start it.

LOVE statue in Philadelphia, 1978.

Spoonbridge and Cherry in Minneapolis, 1985.

Pork ‘n’ Beans in Seattle 2001.

Peanuts statues in Minneapolis/St. Paul, 2003.

Chicago Bean, 2004.

SF Hearts, 2004.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by mc32 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:44PM (#20461400)
Sure, there have been the Eiffel towers and statues of liberty and such, but the pigs and hearts took it to a pop art level (I do see a resemblance to the spoon cherry though) They could easily and cheaply advertise a city and in a manner tourists love. They’re approachable and everywhere.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by dwringer on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @04:20PM (#20463555)
These later exhibitions seem reminiscent of "CowParade" (established first as Zürich's "Land in Sicht" in 1998), which was ultimately developed into an exhibit not specific to one city, but appears to have inspired at least some similar city-specific exhibits including the Seattle Pigs (three years after the first "cow parade" debut, and entitled "Pigs on Parade" in the same fashion as a 1999 Chicago "Cows on Parade" exhibit). There's much more related information at the CowParade Wikipedia entry[1], with a long list of similar exhibits.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CowParade

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by Izkata on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @02:07PM (#20462355)
> Chicago Bean, 2004

Lion statues at the Art Institute of Chicago, 1893

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by baddox on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @03:39PM (#20463208)
What are the San Francisco heart fiberglass art installations? I've lived in SF since 2011 and have either never seen or never noticed them.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by mc32 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @04:42PM (#20463767)
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by OkGoDoIt on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @01:41PM (#20462066)
When I visited Cairo, I went to see the pyramids with a local who had lived in Cairo her entire life but had never been to the pyramids.

And now I live in San Francisco's North beach right near Pier 39, I'm surrounded by tourists. I do actually enjoy walking along the touristy area and seeing the sea lions on occasion, although the tourist prices for all the restaurants aren't great, and sometimes the crowds are very annoying if I'm just trying to get somewhere specific.

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by dfxm12 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:26PM (#20461215)
I also see people making selfies with decorative street elements (simple installations and/or statues) that were installed, say, a year ago, and really mean nothing, but are perceived as if they had a history.

How do you know how other people perceive these things?

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by wruza on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @06:36PM (#20464735)
Good question. tl;dr I don’t.

Maybe I’m looking at it through my own bent glasses. One example on my mind was a ‘thing’ right before my building. Imagine like a 2m tall painting in a thick wooden frame and a foundation to hold it, but there is no painting, as if someone cut it entirely. Like empty frame. People make self-shots sitting in it, and it has some plate with a description on it. But it was mounted only last winter. I’ll maybe check it next time, but my pragmatic side tells me that it’s yet another artistic catch for touristic attractiveness. I also know the guy in his 60s who spent his childhood there. The entire area was built and cultivated from scratch as a heritage corner by few powerful mosque rulers (locally famous people still lived there, no doubt, but that’s true for the entire old town).

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by stordoff on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @11:01AM (#20460181)
Reminds me of looking at a map of where I used to live a few days ago. Turns out there is a sports ground at the the end of the street I used to live on (and it was there when I lived there). Lived there three years and I had no idea.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by kbenson on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @02:18PM (#20462477)
I was born, raised, and continue to live an hour north of San Francisco. I've visited Pier 39 and other attractions all throughout my life, especially as my kids were younger,and am intimately familiar with the area. My wife an I actually had our wedding reception at a (historic) restaurant in the area after a ceremony at city hall (which is gorgeous).

I probably couldn't point out one interesting historic part of my own city if put on the spot, though I know they exist (while not as old or as large as SF, it's been around a while too).

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by lqet on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:36PM (#20461322)
I have been living in a tourist town for the last 10 years, which means that I often end up on pictures against my will (tourists just photographing stuff I happen to walk in front of). For a little personal revenge, I have developed the following hobby: whenever I walk towards a tourist making a picture of something behind me, I turn to whatever he/she is photographing with a confused look that may be described as: "what on earth is picture-worthy here?". It's fun.
Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by mti27 on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @01:27PM (#20461907)
> you don’t know, despite living here since forever

A lot of tourists here in Memphis come to see Elvis Presley's house (Graceland), but many local residents have never been there, despite having some degree of connection to him. I met a couple from England on the street a few years back. They were eager to hear some stories about relatives and coworkers who met Elvis, but when asked about Graceland, I had to say 'Nope never been there'....

Re:Maps Reveal the Difference in How Cities Are Perceived by... by thanatropism on Wednesday July 17, 2019 @12:35PM (#20461311)
My parents immigrated (not to the US) in their 30s and they were amazed at how many locals had never been to the postcard spots.

I work across from the famous Sugar Loaf mountain with the trolley between the mountains, maybe familiar to some from James Bond movies. It's really really really expensive to go there.