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Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by torified on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:22AM (#20352026)
The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments.

I can't help but feel the ruining is accelerating.

I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are.

The discovery problem is an illusion. If you build it, they will come.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by yusi-san on Thursday July 04, 2019 @03:12AM (#20352316)
>I hope the infosec community can come up with some kind of decentralized way to actually share free speech. If anyone is capable, they are.

There are decentralized/open/ethic friendly services alternative to big corporations services. In the case of Youtube there's PeerTube[1] for exemple (even if in that case there's a IP leak due to the p2p protocol if I remember correctly).

The sad thing here is that people decide to stay on the "big" services due to the network effect, and few people decide to boycott them just to follow principles.

[1]https://joinpeertube.org/

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:53AM (#20354121)
In some video sectors people issue "preview" videos on YouTube (for discovery, network effect) and have a full video elsewhere that doesn't have to comply with YouTube's terms.

That would probably work here until YouTube move on to "can't signpost content that's not allowed here".

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by krilly on Thursday July 04, 2019 @12:47PM (#20355992)
This approach implies that YouTube actually pays attention to the details of their terms, rather than just using wide sweeping keyword filters.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:02PM (#20356521)
It seems to work in the sector I was thinking of (lewd ASMR).

I guess if YouTube blocks content by keywords we'll need to get creative with the thesaurus or ROT13.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by Asooka on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:01AM (#20353126)
This is why we need a solution that separates the social network from the storage platform. Maybe as a first step, have a system that combines your peertube, bitchute and youtube accounts together, like a semi-rss feed. Maybe you should be able to use your google account on the alternate platforms. Google won't like such adversarial compatibility, but if done client side there won't be much they can do.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by scoutt on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:59AM (#20352241)
Don't be so pessimistic. There are still plenty of resources and places to discuss whatever you want.

Youtube is like that big commercial avenue in the city, where you can only see mainstream stuff. If you look for the bookstore that has hacking/engineering/pyscology books, you'll have to go elsewhere. But it has always been this way.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by syshum on Thursday July 04, 2019 @12:18PM (#20355763)
YouTube used to be that place.... I remember it, I want that YouTube Back...

YouTube did not become popular with "mainstream stuff" if I wanted "mainstream stuff" I would still be a cable TV Subscriber

YouTube promoting only "mainstream stuff" like CBS, and CNN will kill YouTube

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by gdulli on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:34PM (#20358336)
YouTube got popular with mainstream TV shows and movies. Then after it won all the market share with that content, Google bought it and turned it legit.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by syshum on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:21PM (#20358933)
No that is not what made YouTube Popular at all

I have never once watched a mainstream TV show or Movie on the platform.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by poutrathor on Friday July 05, 2019 @05:46AM (#20361183)
Yeah that's utterly wrong, YouTube got popular because it was the best platform to upload any video and find and watch any video. Then music got big on youtube. Right now they are trying to go into movies, not sure how it will work out for them.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by raarts on Friday July 05, 2019 @04:17AM (#20360764)
> CNN will kill youtube

Given CNN'S dwindling ratings I sincerely doubt that. If anything youtube needs to rescue them.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by syshum on Friday July 05, 2019 @06:09AM (#20361285)
No CNN should collapse
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by beaconstudios on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:35AM (#20353988)
there's plenty of niche content that finds its home on YouTube. It's as if the commercial avenue was infinitely large and could contain every shop you could wish for.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by mooselumps on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:26AM (#20355365)
You have to leave the avenue for porn.

Pornhub has good enough porn, can find something for most any niche.

Soon you’ll find though, if you’re really into this or that, individual studios that cater to your niche create videos with high production value that are all around better than what you dig up on pornhub.

There are marketplaces for small studios like clips4sale.com (nsfw).

Also aggregators for specific niches / topics, etc.

Maybe anti-YouTube people can look to porn for the way out?

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by xfitm3 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:28PM (#20358641)
You have to know what you're looking for, which I think is traditionally the biggest hurtle.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by ajsnigrutin on Thursday July 04, 2019 @05:31AM (#20352999)
Nah, all the old services are still out there and still work. You can still use irc, you can still set up your own mail and web server. There are even new alternatives, from tor to other hidden/dark/free...nets.

But people are too lazy, and find the "just use the largest corporate platform" very convenient, especially if it's "free".

edit: ...which is a problems, since also your viewers only use that "one big" platform, and don't check elsewhere.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by lrem on Thursday July 04, 2019 @03:54AM (#20352501)
There is nothing to come up with. Serving video is a well understood process, both as a service and self-hosted. YouTube's popularity is based mostly on network effect and Google footing the bill for a top notch experience for your viewers. Few people will pay the Vimeo prices, or build something at multiple the cost, if they can get the whole package for free.

Disclaimer: I'm a Googler, so can't help you with estimating the cost. But a few years back the research community had some reasonable-sounding models. Plug in current hardware and you can get an idea.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by iokanuon on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:35AM (#20352727)
What about PeerTube? Seems like a good fit for the infosec community.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by lrem on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:09PM (#20357362)
That's entirely reasonable. My plan of record in for YouTube no longer footing the bill of disseminating videos of my children to extended family is similar (seeding them on bit torrent).

Edit: note that peer to peer doesn't exactly solve the economies. Instead of advertisers, you're asking your viewers to provide the resources. Depending on the audience, this will or will not work.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by cuillevel3 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:27AM (#20352682)
Well, the internet is still there. It's just that the majority mistook private spaces for public ones.

Well, it is convenient I guess. Your content is being found, the interface is great, someone else is paying for servers, storage and bandwidth. All of that for a little control and advertisements...

And honestly, I want platforms to regulate content. They have millions of users, some of them are underage or even democratically unstable.

It's okay to put a little effort into finding knowledge now and then.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by squarefoot on Thursday July 04, 2019 @03:08PM (#20356964)
"Well, the internet is still there. It's just that the majority mistook private spaces for public ones."

Exactly. Using Twitter or Facebook in place of Email/IRC/Usenet/WWW is wrong so many ways, but good luck telling that around without getting laughed at.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Thursday July 04, 2019 @03:52AM (#20352492)
> The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments.

No, it is ruined by normal citizens who largely don't understand democracy and its value. As long as the dictator doesn't bear the label "dictator", people generally prefer dictators, and then at times they are surprised that dictators abuse their power.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by t34543 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @01:34PM (#20356307)
Don’t forget that people are behind both corporations and governments. It’s being ruined by people.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by faissaloo on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:10AM (#20353171)
>The internet promised so much, but is being ruined by corporations and governments.

The only way to fight it is to make sites like we used to, and make sure they have onions

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by alltakendamned on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:30AM (#20352698)
The internet will route around this block, just like it has always routed around other obstacles.

Infosec people tend to be crafty (it's a job requirement imo) and quite a lot of the greybeards were part of building the infrastructure from the beginning, so no need to despair yet.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by wruza on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:37AM (#20352743)
But regular laymen never look beyond youtube (everything non-advertized and popular in general). There is no business model in being underground greybeard publisher.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by VRay on Thursday July 04, 2019 @06:18AM (#20353211)
Considering that you can pull in 100-300k as a security professional at a company, and a multiple of that as a consultant, I don't think that YouTube ad money is that big a deal
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by dalbasal on Thursday July 04, 2019 @07:19AM (#20353529)
giveth and taketh.

Google/YouTube/FB/etc made the web more accessible, fun and useful to normal people. The profit motive was great for cutting through the more idealistic 'open web's" occasionally stubborn^ roadblocks.

YouTube, for example, got online video bigger/better/faster by doing centralisation, flash & such.

After they win though, they effectively become squatters. YouTube or FB could go offline today and tomorrow we'd probably see new services, possibly free and decentralised, popping up to replace them. But, while they monopolize their areas... they probably create negative value.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by lpcvoid on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:08AM (#20354757)
>But, while they monopolize their areas... they probably create negative value.

I think Facebook is already creating negative value.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by geggam on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:58AM (#20355611)
I am curious when you thought FB created positive values
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 04, 2019 @08:56AM (#20354146)
>The profit motive was great for cutting through the more idealistic 'open web's" occasionally stubborn^ roadblocks.

Could you give some examples of this, please?

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by dalbasal on Thursday July 04, 2019 @09:02AM (#20354197)
YouTube, for example, got online video bigger/better/faster by doing centralisation, flash & such.

..FB also, photos of their grand hildren was the reason a lot of people got online.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:43AM (#20355014)
But YouTube having faster servers isn't an "open web" roadblock, Facebook's social graph isn't either -- neither of these shed any light on your previous comment for me.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by dalbasal on Thursday July 04, 2019 @10:53AM (#20355100)
What would?
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by pbhjpbhj on Thursday July 04, 2019 @02:01PM (#20356504)
In the original comment you mentioned the open web put roadblocks in the way of progress due to idealism. So, if you could say what those roadblocks were, and how the idealism supported them ...

Presumably you're not accusing "open web" activists of having ideals that favour inhibiting bandwidth, or hosting content on slow servers, so noting that proprietary ["closed"] services had those facets is irrelevant to your original comment.

If you felt that people wanting to use PNG, because GIF was closed and contrary to [the nebulous concept of] "open web ideals" has retarded progress on the web, then that might be an example? I'm struggling for an example, because I don't know of any examples, which is why I asked you because you spoke implying you know [many] examples!

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by dalbasal on Thursday July 04, 2019 @04:11PM (#20357375)
No. I just meant that for whatever reason (a large array), closed ( different types of closed) solutions like Facebook and YouTube were more user friendly for the majority who came online post-2000... and these things played a prominent role in moving things forward.

Flash made online video work. Facebook & YouTube made contributing & sharing content accessible. IRC, host-your-own webpages, later attempts like RSS and such, which were more idealistically "www" were also not right for Aunt May. They were right for 1990 users, who were a self-selected bunch.. not alway representative of the majority.

Even jewels like Wikipedia (a brilliant achievement of the www idealism, imo) are relatively inaccessible (the editting part) to the average person. That works very well for Wikipedia specifically.

Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by ohithereyou on Thursday July 04, 2019 @11:10AM (#20355242)
Opening up the Internet to commerce was our Original Sin.
Re:YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut d... by reeves23423 on Thursday July 04, 2019 @05:10AM (#20352911)
> If anyone is capable, they are.

True. Even the audience for this will be devs which is right fit to make a decentralized community.