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Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by jasode on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @07:48AM (#20343396)
Is there an advantage for Spotify to allow 2 more years of copyright-infringing uploads that they have to clean up later?

Is there another plausible reason for Spotify shutting down direct uploads that's unrelated to copyrights?

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by Xelbair on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:10AM (#20343563)
Remember what happened with GPDR.

There was also a two year period to adapt. Everyone scrambled to do it in last week, or last few days.

there could be plenty of reasons: it didn't bring them expected revenue, that team was allocated something with higher business priority while the feature itself required updates etc.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by srj on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @10:09AM (#20344392)
Part of the reason for the GDPR scramble is that it deferred specifics to each country's data regulator, and some of that guidance was still being issued shortly before the deadline.
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @07:55AM (#20343444)
> Is there another plausible reason for Spotify shutting down direct uploads that's unrelated to copyrights?

It's a service very few people use that costs them money to maintain and support. You already need to go through cdbaby and similar services for all other distributions and being just on spotify instead of all of them is not very appealing.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by jasode on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:05AM (#20343516)
>It's a service very few people use that costs them money to maintain and support.

I'm not a Spotify expert so I'm not understanding why independents artist without labels "costs money to maintain support" that isn't already spent to enable the labels to upload their artists' songs.

Let's say a Universal Music Group[1] representative logs into Spotify's system to upload Justin Bieber's latest 4-minute song. (Spotify has spent money on their backend system to enable this upload workflow.)

Why does it cost more to Spotify to let the unknown-Joe-Blow-not-signed-to-a-label upload his 4-minute song?

[1] https://www.umusicpub.com/us/Artists.aspx

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by zimpenfish on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:40AM (#20343761)
> Why does it cost more to Spotify to let the unknown-Joe-Blow-not-signed-to-a-label upload his 4-minute song?

Unless I'm mistaken, Spotify would get the new Bieber automagically via an ERN (Electronic Release Notification) delivery which contains asset links, artist, meta, rights information etc. Since that's from a trusted* source, it can be ingested as-is and everyone is happy. For independent uploads, there's almost certainly several steps of human review and possibly interaction - which costs money and time.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by nske on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:33AM (#20344121)
If that was the case they could have just passed some handling fees to the indie artists -that would still be much more reasonable than the fees that the artists would have to pay to a publisher. I think the record companies -still in the process of understanding and adjusting to the new business model that Spotify established- pushed for this, one way or the other, to ensure that Spotify doesn't become a competitor like Amazon became to book publishers.
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by jakelazaroff on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @10:15AM (#20344444)
Distributing your music isn't really financially burdensome as is. Most distributors cost in the range of $20-$30 per year. Some are even free.
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by dtech on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:58AM (#20343890)
> Why does it cost more to Spotify to let the unknown-Joe-Blow-not-signed-to-a-label upload his 4-minute song?

It all boils down to that Joe Blow is an unstrusted actor and big label is not. They needs to check that Joe Blow is not uploading Bieber's latest song as his own and that all the metadata is correct while they not need do that for most labels.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by barkingcat on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:58AM (#20343889)
Your assumption that they go through the same work flow might be mistaken.

The same type of questioning applied to banks and transferring money:

Why would it cost a bank more money to print and mail checks to individual people when they already do balance transfer payments every night to other banks and branches?

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:56AM (#20344281)
"Very few people" used it because it was a beta service that was only ever available to a small number of artists.

Opening it up to everyone would have transformed the industry. Spotify could absolutely own the small artist space in the same way that Amazon owns the self-publishing space for unsigned authors, but it chooses not to for political reasons.

This has nothing to do with copyright issues. Spotify already has a copyright claim process and the major labels have their own copyright monitoring systems.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by SeanAppleby on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @02:02PM (#20346844)
Yeah, as someone who has resisted paying for spotify, I was considering switching when they launched this service.

I make music as a hobby, and I only really use soundcloud as a result, since the barrier to entry to posting on spotify is annoying, and resultingly a pretty decent chunk of the pretty obscure stuff I like isn't on spotify, only soundcloud.

When I go to spotify right now it feels like this weird corporate arm of the archaic record industry that I view as more or less a parasite on musicians in this day and age. It lacks all of the weird community character and fluidity that I want out of a music platform, and I resist it for that reason.

Opening the gates would change the game and let it exist as a real creative community rather than just a soleless distribution platform for corporate artists and their masters.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by Anarch157a on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:36AM (#20344141)
Fraud[0] comes to mind. By requiring the artist to be signed with a label, Spotify can more easily police this kind of behavior.

[0] https://qz.com/1212330/a-bulgarian-scheme-scammed-spotify-fo...

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by sk0g on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @07:55AM (#20343439)
Yeah, they could build an in house alternative to the YouTube algorithm to detect dupes/ infringing material.

Spotify please hire me so I can work on this, tack.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by scarface74 on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:07AM (#20343532)
How would this benefit Spotify? The few people it would attract wouldn’t be worth the cost. According to other posters, it’s barely used.
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by sk0g on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:32AM (#20344117)
Maybe it doesn't, but I was planning to use it soon!

I'll have to pay a small sum to do the same now, but that's not a big deal.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by scarface74 on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @10:35AM (#20344614)
Unrelated question. As an indy artist, why use Spotify? More than likely people wouldn’t discover your music and you lose the direct relationship with your listeners. Isn’t it better for small artists to get “1000 True Fans” who would be willing to pay $x than to get a few more fans that would pay you indirectly $x/10000?
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by sk0g on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @11:31PM (#20351258)
I don't actually care about the money. I have a full time job as a software engineer, this is more for me to have something to be proud of (performance at work, to me at least, isn't as important as leaving a tangible mark on someone, or brightening up people's evenings).

Spotify is the biggest music streaming platform, and having something I created, or played a part in creating, be on the platform, would be a personal accomplishment. It's just an item on my bucketlist, really. In a similar vein, I want to see somoene sing along to a song I write at a gig :)

Eventually the algorithm might even drop the songs in people's discovery queues, etc. But for fanbase interactions, I think local gigs + a Facebook page is the most important, to be honest. Then you tour and people should be able to discover you on their streaming platform of choice.

I haven't heard of 1000 True Fans, will look into what that is actually.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by Tharkun on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:31AM (#20343694)
How can they possibly know whether the artist licensed their samples? Or whether the artist is paying the original artist royalties for the use of their music?
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by sk0g on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:35AM (#20344136)
I was more thinking a sort of hash value for the song, to prevent reuploads. Sample detection would be hard, considering sample pack reuse would have to be dealt with!
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by simias on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:58AM (#20343893)
Youtube is built around letting random individuals upload their videos, it makes a lot of sense for them to implement clever automated filters, contentID etc... And even then it doesn't seem to work that well since I very often see videos popping up of Youtubers complaining about abusive demonetization and false-positive flagging.

On the other hand I strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of the music streamed by Spotify comes from "the industry" instead of artists uploading their own songs themselves. Implementing complicated filters (and playing the arms race game against people trying to work around them) is probably not worth it for them.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by zimpenfish on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @08:42AM (#20343766)
> Spotify please hire me so I can work on this, tack.

I know some people who are working on something like that with the added benefit* of being on Ethereum if that interests you... :)

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by sk0g on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:38AM (#20344151)
I'd definitely be keen to hear more about this at least!

I've been thinking about hash values for song sections, and then proving ownership by claiming a sequence of hashes. Could help ensure you aren't subconsciously ripping other music off, and make finding 'related' songs easy (covers, remixes, etc).

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by wolco on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @10:22AM (#20344504)
But changing some aspect would change the hash value
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by zimpenfish on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @03:26PM (#20347793)
That, there, is the hard part of the problem. You can go with acoustic hashes (like Chromaprint[1]) but even that's not 100% reliable in the face of small changes.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AcoustID#Chromaprint

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by Sargos on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @11:22AM (#20345051)
What is the project name?
Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by magicalhippo on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @10:39AM (#20344652)
> Is there another plausible reason for Spotify shutting down direct uploads that's unrelated to copyrights?

My immediate thought on reading the headline was that they didn't want to deal with a ton of individuals w.r.t. payouts and etc. Company to company transactions are always easier, so restrict it to labels.

Re:Spotify shuts down direct music uploading for independent... by danielscrubs on Wednesday July 03, 2019 @09:11AM (#20343973)
Yes. To obtain tagged data to train models. Just like all big companies become leaders and push juridical boundaries.